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ginjez



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2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 ST Santorini Black


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Can't imagine where they got the coffee stencil idea from Whistle

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nidge n



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2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Orkney Grey

AndrewS wrote:
nidge n wrote:
For those guys that have viewed the Defender in the flesh, is there as much plastic on the car as the photographs suggest?


Its got more plastic than the Lego model has.


Only to save weight though, nothing to do with costs surely. Whistle The new Defender looks like a design exercise set for students. "lets try and get some old school design into the new model and cash in on all that nostalgia. But if the plastic is more in real form that photographs, that's a bit cheap and nasty don't you think?

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markb110



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England 2002 Defender 90 Td5 HT Epsom Green


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Alice Holt today.

Had a good look around. The vehicle being shown is a hand built pre production version and shows in the quality of some materials. I would have to wait and see it again in real life to see its progression. Some things you have to take with a pinch of salt, winch (how to get to it) and steering wheel (plasticy) and the beige interior is minging (why don't show it off in a classy black)

Seeing it the flesh does give a better idea of size, seating positions and rear space with both the seats up and down. To me it did not look as big as some of the pictures made it out to be but then it was on its own so I would prefer to get to drive it in town and car parks.

Interestingly the LR guy said that the 90 would be on the configurator in 6 weeks time and that the 90 only had two rear seats in the non commercial version. Have to wait an see.

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AndrewS



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United Kingdom 2013 Defender 130 Puma 2.2 SW Rimini Red

I can not believe that they are launching the vehicle when its clearly not ready to be launched, it's a Censored ing joke to be honest. 130's have feeling's as well you know Smile

Post #799051 22nd Oct 2019 6:29pm
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ids



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Nice pics. Good weather helps !

The 6 weeks for the 90 being on the configurator sounds about right. Jan 2020 by the time as 6 weeks rolls round.

I'd really like to drive one however I am sure everyone feels that way. Even the journo's havn't yet apparently.

I am supprised how little interest there is on the 'enthusiast' sites like this. I wonder if JLR are worried ?

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ids



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AndrewS wrote:
I can not believe that they are launching the vehicle when its clearly not ready to be launched, it's a Censored ing joke to be honest.


Agreed.

I recon they had to rush the launch as it was inevitable it was going to be leaked. I think we are seeing the last months of development in public and they are trying to keep the interest up until a proper launch. ie Veh at dealers etc.

Post #799055 22nd Oct 2019 6:32pm
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markb110



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England 2002 Defender 90 Td5 HT Epsom Green

IDS

I think that you are correct, I was negative and first but then decided to have an open mind. Others that have seen it have knocked certain parts of the vehicle when displayed.

The LR guy I was speaking to was very honest to questions and my observations. If you have seen any of the pre production vehicles at Dunsfold you can see the things 'done' to get a new car on the road.

For the committed loose trim, dodgy steering wheel and beige interiors don't help to give a good first impression (especially regarding the cost) but if you look at the vehicle with a view to gain knowledge of dimensions, interior space and seating position then in that respect it is doing its job.

If I had the money and was willing to sell my 90 TD5 Hardtop I would rather see and drive the end product before committing at this time.


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Post #799072 22nd Oct 2019 7:58pm
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RDR



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ids wrote:
AndrewS wrote:
I can not believe that they are launching the vehicle when its clearly not ready to be launched, it's a Censored ing joke to be honest.


Agreed.

I recon they had to rush the launch as it was inevitable it was going to be leaked. I think we are seeing the last months of development in public and they are trying to keep the interest up until a proper launch. ie Veh at dealers etc.



They did this with the D5 the car at my dealers vip night was pre production model and shambolic - rough/thin plastic, dash glitchy, door alignment issues, rear seat fold had failed. Was a really poor show, they were all crushed soon after. D3 MY06 S - Gone but not forgotten
D4 MY12 HSE - Gone
D4 MY16 HSE Luxury - Now Sold
D5 Si6 HSE Luxury - 22' Dynamic on order < now cancelled last hope on the New Defender

Post #799099 22nd Oct 2019 9:07pm
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Co1



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United Kingdom 2013 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 HT Loire Blue

Having to have a fire extinguisher on hand for a parked car is a worry!! Instagram @richmond_custom

Post #799119 23rd Oct 2019 5:10am
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King Luis



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I’m very interested in the new defender in a couple years. I’m surprised how hard some people are on the new defender. Seeing other pre-production cars, you cannot expect things to perfect on them. IE: some materials and panels lining up, etc.
What I’m wondering is what the blind spot is like with that c pillar? What the North American spec will look like with the ugly reflectors we have to have on our cars?

Post #799149 23rd Oct 2019 11:39am
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markb110



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England 2002 Defender 90 Td5 HT Epsom Green

Co1 wrote:
Having to have a fire extinguisher on hand for a parked car is a worry!!


Hi.

The vehicle was connected to a battery charger that in turn was run off of a generator.

Elf and safety n all that Thumbs Up

Post #799152 23rd Oct 2019 12:08pm
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familymad



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2016 Defender 130 Puma 2.2 HCPU Santorini Black

King Luis wrote:
I’m very interested in the new defender in a couple years. I’m surprised how hard some people are on the new defender. Seeing other pre-production cars, you cannot expect things to perfect on them. IE: some materials and panels lining up, etc.
What I’m wondering is what the blind spot is like with that c pillar? What the North American spec will look like with the ugly reflectors we have to have on our cars?


But they have sent us the PR and all the hype says this is “The new Defender”

No chat about pre production or different plastics. The vast majority of viewers are going to see a finished article and unless they talk to the host, that’s what they come away thinking they just experienced. Bad idea as all my neighbours and friends who have seen it now don’t want one off the back of the shoddy build. 1951 80" S1
1958 88" S2

Post #799156 23rd Oct 2019 12:54pm
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King Luis



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well thats a shame. i really don't think LR would have many cheap plastics on a $60k+ (CDN) vehicle. it'd be really dumb of them. especially the wheel. i'm staying hopeful and still interested in getting one in a year or two.

Post #799204 23rd Oct 2019 5:59pm
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nidge n



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2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Orkney Grey

I think that the plastic is here to stay, look at the other LR products. I viewed a D5 recently which wasn't for me. I had high hopes on the new Defender but the plastic checker plate was a bridge too far Big Cry If it wasn't called Defender then i don't think i would give this car a second glance. It just doesn't look a 60-70K car. And at the price point, a second hand Vogue offers better value.

Ultimately for me, when i put new and old together, there is only one choice. I am still a LR supporter, however they have moved too far away from their DNA. I understand that they needed to develop and adapt other models to appeal to new markets. I Just thought that the new Defender would be a more honest, practical offering. Like the Wrangler is for Jeep. I will happily stick with my 110 and my Heritage but wanted to add the new Defender. For me at least, that will sadly not be happening.



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Post #799221 23rd Oct 2019 7:14pm
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Tim in Scotland



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I quite agree about the fake checker plate, especially black stuff. I’m not a fan of the real stuff on bonnets and wing tops although I do have some on the rear quarter panels of my 90 to protect them

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 Epsom Green Tdi300 County Hard Top converted into a Station Wagon
Departed - RRS2 HSE Dynamic replaced by Mini Countryman PHEV

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