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doublea



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Scotland 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Keswick Green
Dim dip retro fit!

Right, I know most folk ask about disabling dim dip, but I kinda like the retro look of it.

How do I go about retro fitting this to my 2015 utility wagon?

I'm hoping it's a case of getting the "pink relay" and resistor and plugging them in. Current Steeds:
2015 110 UW in Grasmere Green
2003 BMW F650 the Hack
2000 Elise
1992 Ducati 888 (still in bits but soon to be st4s powered)

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grafty99



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The pink relay controls the headlights anyway so should already be there. If the wiring is there then it should just be a case of getting a resistor and plugging it in Thumbs Up 2002 90 Td5 Station Wagon
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Post #786039 10th Aug 2019 7:00am
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90 Dreamer



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what is it exactly??

Post #786046 10th Aug 2019 8:33am
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blackwolf



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It is a useless feature which is optimised to make your headlight bulbs fail quicker!


It was actually a half-witted scheme by the UK government which meant that if you turned on the sidelights with the ignition on, the dip beam headlights would come on at about half power. It was for a short time in the late 1980s a legal requirement, until Europe, in a rare moment of sense, ruled that it was illegal under EU law for the UK to make it a legal requirement. So it stopped being a legal requirement!

Some manufacturers, especially those like Land-Rover, who thought the 1970s hadn't ended, went on fitting it for years before stopping.

Benefits of DD: none.

Disbenefits: running a headlight bulb on a reduced voltage has been shown to make it fail much quicker than running it on design voltage.

It is probably illegal to retrofit dim dip to a vehicle unless a configuration of the vehicle with DD has been through the EWVTA process, and then only to a class N (not M) vehicle. You'd have to compare the wiring diagrams to see exactly what is needed, but the DD system is more complex than you expect and you will be cutting and splicing harnesses to retrofit.

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Sulisuli



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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 HT Corris Grey

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Post #786065 10th Aug 2019 9:53am
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doublea



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Scotland 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Keswick Green

Oh well, sounds like it's not feasible.

It's just that super bright newfangled led DRLs just don't complement the retro look of my defender.

Thanks for the replies though. Current Steeds:
2015 110 UW in Grasmere Green
2003 BMW F650 the Hack
2000 Elise
1992 Ducati 888 (still in bits but soon to be st4s powered)

Post #786067 10th Aug 2019 10:47am
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90 Dreamer



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cheers for the info....... Thumbs Up

Post #786069 10th Aug 2019 11:03am
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LandRoverAnorak



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United Kingdom 2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Orkney Grey

If you want something DRL-esque but retro looking, then you could just turn the sidelights on. Darren

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blackwolf



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^^^ This! Rolling with laughter

Good idea, it's what I do.

Post #786080 10th Aug 2019 11:28am
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JWL



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England 2002 Defender 110 Td5 SW Coniston Green

Another way is to do what I did, I have a pair of crystal headlamps with pilot lights in. I popped a couple of led 501's in place and wired them up to the sidelight loom which give a fair impression of the headlamps being on allbeit not as bright as dipped beam as soon as the sidelights are turned on Thumbs Up

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DD will not work with LED head lights .... "Drobek" = The Small One - Discovery 2, "Blufínek" = The Blue Thing - Defender 130, and for me at least Ford Mondeo Smile

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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Santorini Black

There is nothing to stop you fitting filament bulb drls if you want a more "classic" look. In fact my Disco Sport has filament bulb drl's fitted as do many other modern cars. It means you can run with much brighter lamps than if using sidelights and without the glitz of LED's.

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custom90steve



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SW Stornoway Grey

I very much agree with BW's mentioning of the DD system being very complex.
I disabled mine a few years ago, it was a real head scratcher to sort out and now I can't every remember how I did it.
I certainly wouldn't re-use it, I did not see the point in it either.
Now I run Noldens with in-built sidelight function, which gives me front sidelights and a DRL of the headlights only on when sidelights are on.. (Piggyback connected from the sidelight feeds.)
Dipped, and main.

Without the above and without the dim dip which I couldn't have with LED anyway. I would have only sidelights.
And headlights dipped or main.
With sidelight on headlights would be off completely.
I'm very happy with this set up, and the extra light from the DRL headlights with sidelights on really gives better visibility in dark weather especially if your Defender is black or grey.

For these reasons, although from what I have read you have a different set up I would agree with the others not to re-instate it. Made In GB. 🇬🇧

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llessur



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I have the Dim Dip on a 2008 2.4 . I have fitted led headlights and the effect is that they are on with the sidelights and very bright. I guess its the ability of Leds to operate over a wide voltage range. I have the 10050 pink relay but when I went hunting for the resistor to disconnect it, I could not find it.
Can anyone give me an accurate idea where it is situated with possibly the wire colour please.
I would prefer to have full control over my lights as I drive with side lights on when the trailer is attached as the trailer side markers tend to make oncoming drivers a little more aware of the width. At present they seem fixated that my headlights are on and just want to flash me.

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