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diesel_jim



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How long though before some clever person hacs the ECU and turns off the speed limiter?

Won't take long, or there will just be a huge increase sale in older (non limited) cars.

But... going down the big brother route.... how long before you "speed" and just let a letter in the post as per driving in a bus lane type of thing... the "central BB office" will just be watching everyone from their screens. Rolling Eyes
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Teario



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OsloBlue wrote:
Even more scary is the fact that mobile phones have to emit GPS signals to stay in sync with satellites.


I don't disagree with your sentiment but GPS is a receiver and not a transmitter. The satellites beam down a signal stating their satellite id, atomic clock reading and other info. Your GPS device receives this from multiple satellites in view and uses it to triangulate its position with no need to transmit anything.

That's not to say your phone (and in future, your car) isn't sending your location information somewhere. But GPS itself doesn't have the capacity to do the transmission. This is why the GPS system is infinitely scalable - where the load on the phone system is related to the number of active devices on it, each new GPS device doesn't add any additional load.
Post #765740 27th Mar 2019 10:38pm
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AMBxx



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It's already here - many new cars have automatic crash notification or an SOS button to call emergency services. That gives the facility to send GPS location along with your car details to a central service.

If you really want to freak out, do some reading on the free wifi services available in some cities (coming to York soon). They track you via your phone's wifi network id (MAC). Used to monitor traffic, but also great for tracking which shops you go to. A good time to turn of wifi when you're out of your home.
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Bluest wrote:
There is a looming problem that is being discussed in road safety circles at the moment that there isn't currently an answer to. As vehicles are fitted with more and more automated safety features such as auto emergency breaking and collision avoidance, other road users (pedestrian and cyclists) will start to change their behaviour to take advantage.

If you wanted to cross a busy main road in the knowledge that the vehicles will automatically stop if you stepped into the road, at least a portion of us will start to do that. Why wait for a gap or walk to the crossing when you can step out information front of a truck and watch it do a full on emergency stop to serenely stroll across the road?


Top Gear did a piece on this the other day, a bit light hearted but they used a VW Passat (I think?) with the feature & tested it to see if it braked when there was an obstruction in the road directly in front of them, starting with a cardboard box man - it was flattened, then they went to a moving cardboard box man - it got flattened too and lastly they used Rory - it didn't stop for him either!
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D240V



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I know that the insurance industry are very keen on the data recording devices side of things, especially during claim investigations. Crashing your BMW at when over the speed limit will mean they don't have to pay out. Kerrr-ching! Laughing
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blackwolf



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AMBxx wrote:
... A good time to turn of wifi when you're out of your home.


Always, always.

I think that 99.99% of the gen pop have no idea either how much they give away, or how much data about them is harvested.

Don't get me started on "loyalty cards"!
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bpman



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according to the press release, the speed limiter can be switched off ... so what's the problem? I never got caught speeding in my defender, although my Ford RS is another story Very Happy

As for giving away data, interesting happenings in the USA, amendment 5, if your car records GPS and other telemetery data in a black box and if you have an accident, the insurance company MUST ask permission to access YOUR data, gets a little grey when it's a lease or pool car. you can get ODB locks in the USA to stop the insurance companies just plugging into you car (after all, it's your data).

If you are interested in how much data you bleed, download and install TCPView from Microsoft/Sysinternals, it's shocking how many connections an idle PC makes - and mobile phones are even more revealing

Self-driving vehicles will use 5G data connection because most of the processing will take place in the cloud .. thats where it's going ... good or bad
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