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DonH2000



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mick wrote:
Yup unless your a hairdresser Rolling Eyes


Douglas Adams was right all along in 'The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy'. So long, and thanks for all the fish...... Cheers Don.
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AndrewS



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discomog wrote:
Taking up Oslo Blue's point I think that JLR are diminishing the marque by having 2WD options. They should stick to 4WD and AWD.


In an ideal world yes Thumbs Up however they need to sell units, units have to be attractive to fleet buyers, fleet buyers dont like 4x4 so make a 2x4 and the fleet guys are interested. 130's have feeling's as well you know Smile
Post #756708 6th Feb 2019 11:53am
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OsloBlue



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What kind of a fleet buyer goes for 29k discovery sport/49k discovery commercial over a 20k qashqai/ 36k land cruiser utility.

Land cruiser comes with two additional years warranty.

Aside from ambulances & transport department I have seen no discovery commercials, and no discovery 5 commercials at all.

I see defender commercials about the place everywhere, much more affordable back in the day. I'm on IG: https://www.instagram.com/osloblue42/
Current: TD5 '110 "Lucinda" Thread here: https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic62562.html
Post #756715 6th Feb 2019 12:38pm
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Tommo



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Have you ever driven an evoque off road??
I have on a LR off road day and it is not a hairdressers car but a stylish competent vehicle with the same 4x4 electronics of the discovery.
Post #756821 6th Feb 2019 7:42pm
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AndrewS



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OsloBlue wrote:
What kind of a fleet buyer goes for 29k discovery sport/49k discovery commercialy.


They dont that's my point, I was refering to why JLR are now making 2 wheel drive landrovers. To get into the fleet sales Thumbs Up 130's have feeling's as well you know Smile
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LandRoverAnorak



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OsloBlue wrote:
Aside from ambulances & transport department I have seen no discovery commercials, and no discovery 5 commercials at all.

D4 commercials, at least, are very hard to spot as they look like a regular D4 from the outside. All of the changes are to the interior. A friend of mine runs a fleet of them for hauling portable toilets and as they rack up the mileage, is struggling to find something suitable to replace them with that has a comparable towing capacity. Decent second hand ones are highly sought after. Darren

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Post #756887 6th Feb 2019 10:25pm
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Rashers



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Do you think JLRs bigger problem is the environmental lobby / anti diesel brigade?

A largish 4x4 with a petrol engine for most people would be cost prohibitive. Land Rovers entire range do not lend themselves to a 1.0 litre 3 cylinder petrol engine.

I’m sure this has been a large part of Nissan’s decision to move X Trail production out of the EU?

They need to shift numbers and hand on heart, the old Defender was never a high unit model and probably made very little money. I’m not sure a new model would sell like a Freelander?

Maybe JLR have missed the boat. All the utility companies and hardened users have moved on and found the Isuzu or whatever does the job just as well, maybe better?
Post #756891 6th Feb 2019 10:26pm
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100inch



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Tommo wrote:
Have you ever driven an evoque off road??
I have on a LR off road day and it is not a hairdressers car but a stylish competent vehicle with the same 4x4 electronics of the discovery.

Tommo, I would ignore such hairdressers comments immediately. Some people have still not realised that big sellers like the Evoque cross finance future cars like the Defender replacement.
I hire Evoques every time when visiting Europe and enjoy every mile in it, despite coming from bigger LR products. As a supporter of the brand I welcome and thank every single buyer, regardless of their choice. m
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mick



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The Evoque is pretty useless as a general car 2 bags of shopping and the boots full.
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22900013A



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Rashers wrote:


Maybe JLR have missed the boat. All the utility companies and hardened users have moved on and found the Isuzu or whatever does the job just as well, maybe better?


Not really. Neither Hilux nor D-Max are proving as tough as the Defender. They are simply not built to run around at gross weight all the time.

I saw a Jimny on the motorway the other day, it was much bigger than I thought they were, looked really chunky and retro, very good ground clearance.

I have to agree I don't really understand Landrover anymore. 2011 110 USW
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blackwolf



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22900013A wrote:
I have to agree I don't really understand Landrover anymore.


They've evolved from being a specialist manufacturer of useful utility vehicles into a specialist manufacturer of useless vanity vehicles!


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Post #757451 8th Feb 2019 11:40pm
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mick



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22900013A wrote:
Rashers wrote:


Maybe JLR have missed the boat. All the utility companies and hardened users have moved on and found the Isuzu or whatever does the job just as well, maybe better?


Not really. Neither Hilux nor D-Max are proving as tough as the Defender. They are simply not built to run around at gross weight all the time.

I saw a Jimny on the motorway the other day, it was much bigger than I thought they were, looked really chunky and retro, very good ground clearance.

I have to agree I don't really understand Landrover anymore.

I’ve come across other farriers that use the Ranger or a Hilux and side by side they are not a patch on the 130 for size in the bed
Post #757500 9th Feb 2019 11:27am
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Rashers



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I very much doubt they will provide a 130 inch wheelbase.

I have taken very little notice of the leaked pictures, but does it look like there are going to be two / three wheelbase options on LR’s new offering?
Post #757501 9th Feb 2019 11:31am
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LandRoverAnorak



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Yes, there are test vehicles running around in both 90 and 110 nominal wheelbases. Darren

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Post #757502 9th Feb 2019 11:35am
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Rashers



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There is hope then.

Maybe they should have considered a 100 Inch? Wasn’t this the best Defender Land Rover never made? (I’m paraphrasing that. Can’t remember where I heard it) Laughing
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