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markalpha



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England 2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Santorini Black
Let us know how you get on
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familymad



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Will do. Trying an auto same day also but in Invincible trim as they don’t have a Utility with the auto box. 1951 80" S1 2.0
1995 110 300TDI
1995 90 300TDI
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tookaphotoof



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Netherlands 2013 Defender 130 Puma 2.2 HCPU Santorini Black
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familymad



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 2016 Defender 130 Puma 2.2 HCPU Santorini Black
Sorry got busy at work!

Test drive in a 3000mile ex Toyota press vehicle. White with manual and tow pack. Usual Jap feeling to panels which sound hollow and circa 1970’s velour seat trim. Driving position was easy to get right with adjustable everything. The vehicle felt big, comfortable and very well screwed together. The chassis is proper thick steel and the suspension components look suitably well made. Boot was a good size without the 6/7 seats in. Loved the back door which was huge. The interior plastics and controls were hard and basic feeling. Quiet engine and smooth gearbox. The clutch was so light compared to the Defender! Brakes and steering also light to use but very little feedback through either. Was a hot day and the air con was incredible how quick it got to work.

Very little body roll on the move. Torque felt the same as my BAS 170 but the delivery was super smooth. Not a clunk to be heard anywhere though.... loads of room for the family in the back too. Did it have character, well no. Did it feel like it was designed and built to do a job and do it well, well yes. Felt unbreakable. Family loved it.

Then a test drive in a 100 mile Invincible auto. Same engine but wanted to try the auto. All singing and dancing with 7 seats. That spec robbed the boot of 4inches depth. Smooth slush box but robbed the thing of another layer of feel. Some autos feel alive but this felt like it was made to be utterly boring. I didn’t like the drive and it clearly made my mind up for a manual. I just hope that wasn’t the extra weight of the spec and the seats that dulled the drive and put me right off the auto.

Loved the basic utility spec though and the overall vehicle was very impressive. £31k was easy to achieve on i think I need to try a V8 LC200 to just make sure it’s not for me though Whistle 1951 80" S1 2.0
1995 110 300TDI
1995 90 300TDI
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tookaphotoof



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Thanks. Unfortunately far too expensive over here, otherwise I’d loved to have the utility version as a family car.
Don’t even dare thinking about the tax I would need to pay to be able to drive the v8 out of the showroom. 😂
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Maxxed_Ross



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Scotland 2001 Defender 90 Td5 CSW Cobar Blue
I've had a D5 on loan a couple of times now while my D4 was in for work

The biggest shock for me was how small the boot is for such a big car. Sat next to the D4 the D5 looks huge - but I couldn't get my Trans K9 cage in the back. It wasn't even close to going in! In the D4 I have enough space above for a Mantec storage rack too.

Fuel economy is about the same and it is nice to drive, but I won't be rushing to change an time soon 2013 Discovery 4 HSE Lux | 2001 Defender 90 TD5 | 2007 Prodrive RB320
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markalpha



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England 2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Santorini Black
Glad you had a good test drive Family mad. We still haven’t decided which way to go. Hilux has credibility(Artic Truck version very cool) and huge load space but son keeps growing and not too sure about rear leg room, plenty of rear leg room in both Crusiers but not the same boot space(obviously). Need to take less stuff or trade son in for a smaller model.

I have the same thoughts on the D5 so big and such a small boot, why!. Definitely not on the maybe list for me.
Post #727244 5th Sep 2018 8:44am
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familymad



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https://www.toyota-gib.com/eng/vehicle-sales/models-by-usage.html

Seems like Toyota have the African market sewn up and good for them. Some of these are lush. LC 200 V8 manual in UN white please! 1951 80" S1 2.0
1995 110 300TDI
1995 90 300TDI
Post #727595 6th Sep 2018 5:46pm
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Bluest



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Java Black
I’d take the 79 single cab then please. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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markalpha



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England 2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Santorini Black
Very nice. Have you driven a V8 yet?

I see the 130 is up for sale, it will be interesting to see what you replace it with. I loved my 130, great camping vehicle. But no room in rear seats for growing kids Big Cry

Have you considered Hilux Artic Truck, plenty of image!
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markalpha



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England 2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Santorini Black
Well the deed has been done. Hilux Icon auto has joined the fleet. The future for the 110 has yet to be decided but after returning home from Spain on The Big Yellow Taxi it’s not in my good books. Luckily the trip wasn’t ruined and I got to drive a Hilux for a day and half off and on road courtesy of Off-road Adventure Travel. These guys organised a great trip and did a fantastic job of dealing with a bad situation.

Any news Familymad
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diesel_jim



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^^ Nice, I like those HiLux's, but still have a hankering for a 78/79 series cruiser.

If every you're in Gibraltar there's (well, there was) a yard full of them ready for export to Africa. All white, most with snorkels and Michelin XS tyres... very tasty!
Post #737517 30th Oct 2018 8:24am
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Cupboard



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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 HT Corris Grey
If I could get a Hilux with a transfer box that's as flexible as the one in the Defender I'd get one. On road low range is useful, as is on road 4wd. Not that the Defender transfer box is as good as it could be, accelerating off a wet roundabout I can pretty easily get the inside front wheel spinning.

I don't think the Land Cruiser utility has enough space in the back for me - I sleep in mine and don't want to move to a roof tent. Other than that, it's very tempting. Shame it only tows 3t but I could probably manage without the extra 500kg.
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sako243



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Wales 1994 Defender 110 300 Tdi CSW Alpine White
Funnily enough speaking to some French friends when we were there last. They're big Toyota people but, one who I respect very highly and is definitely a Toyota person, said if he had to walk into a showroom now for an overland vehicle. He'd go to LR. Toyota's reliability isn't all its cracked up to be and when they go wrong it's even worse or terminal compared to a LR product.

Another friend runs tours for people in the UK. He's had 5 non LR products (mostly Land Cruisers) go home on a flat bed. Yes he's had Land Rovers with issues but they've been fixed in at most a couple of hours on the side of the road. A mates LC on its first trip to France lost all brakes (one minute they're fine the next his foot hits the floor, in an automatic). Main dealer in Mont Luçon couldn't fix it ended up having to recover it to the UK and turned out to be a failed Abs pump.

So depends on what you do, but if off the beaten track LR may not be the most stupid idea. In the words of Julian (aforementioned French chap) the LR will break down more but it'll usually get you there even limping along. The LC probably won't break down but if it does you're stuffed

By the way this is a chap who built up his own portals (not pinched, fabricated) for an 80 series LC and all is off roaders are Toyotas. Ed
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Post #737899 31st Oct 2018 10:01pm
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familymad



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diesel_jim wrote:
^^ Nice, I like those HiLux's, but still have a hankering for a 78/79 series cruiser.

If every you're in Gibraltar there's (well, there was) a yard full of them ready for export to Africa. All white, most with snorkels and Michelin XS tyres... very tasty!


They won’t sell me any of those as I have tried!! V8 diesel in UN spec would be perfect 👌 1951 80" S1 2.0
1995 110 300TDI
1995 90 300TDI
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