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familymad



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 2016 Defender 130 Puma 2.2 HCPU Santorini Black
Landcruiser Utility 2.8
We are not a D5 family and want something that will get us there and back on our future road trip plans. Been thinking a huge amount about our future family wagon and I have grown bored of waiting for the new Defender. Even if it does look good, will it be reliable. Reading D5 forums and motoring press (Telegraph Long termer has been a catastrophic fail vehicle), they just cause so many headaches.

Having serious thoughts about the Utility version of the 2.8D4D Cruiser. Base spec with auto or manual and tow pack. Costs about the same as what our last 110 XS did but better at almost everything apart from looks and image. On the latter point, that’s where I am starting to like this more and more. Bumbling through France, Morocco and Spain this month we saw zero D4’s, D5’s, RR’s and Sports right up until the Ferry terminal at Calais. We then saw blinged and lowered Defenders and D5’s towing expensive powerboats. I might be alone on this, but it’s putting me off being seen in one.

Anyone driven the new LC? 1951 80" S1 2.0
1995 110 300TDI
1995 90 300TDI
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AndrewS



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For what it's worth my D5 is about 18 months old got about 21k of hard work miles lots of heavy towing and it's not missed a beat. 130's have feeling's as well you know Smile
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Grenadier



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Why not the D4. Great looks, most niggles sorted, does everything you want, you stay in the LR family, it’ll never be ‘bling’ and in my opinion, given the reaction to the D5, it’ll become a collector’s classic of the future. . Thumbs Up Monsieur Le Grenadier

I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list.....

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familymad



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A D4 is on the list but a mate just had a FSH 32k minter spin a shell and snapped crankshaft. LR won’t pay and he is left with an £8k bill. Local indie sees enough with the same issue on top of warped manifolds, blown turbos and front wishbones needing re- bushed regularly. Body off for some of the jobs which adds £750 to the invoice. They still scare me on bills. 1951 80" S1 2.0
1995 110 300TDI
1995 90 300TDI


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Huttopia



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I’m looking at a D4 again for the same reasons - the only thing I’d do differently with another one is buy an aftermarket warranty.
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tookaphotoof



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I'd buy the Land Cruiser Utility with a manual gearbox over a Discovery 4/5. Nothing wrong with its image.
About 74k euro over here, unfortunately...
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Grenadier



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familymad wrote:
A D4 is on the list but a mate just had a FSH 32k minter spin a shell and snapped crankshaft. LR won’t pay and he is left with an £8k bill. Local indie sees enough with the same issue on top of warped manifolds, blown turbos and front wishbones needing re- bushed regularly. Body off for some of the jobs which adds £750 to the invoice. They still scare me on bills.


I was very precise when I included the word 'most' Rolling with laughter .

Laughing aside, I appreciate they're not all perfect, but do they not do so much more than other similar 4x4s and without looking like a Japanese or N American blob. They're iconic. Monsieur Le Grenadier

I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list.....

2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey
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wyvern



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United Kingdom 2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Firenze Red
why not go for the D5 as their will be a good warrantee on the vehicle and it will give you time to see how it goes ... if its ok then take on the extended warrantee and have peace of mind!
my partner had one and she loves it ... she moved up from a D4 to the D5 .. but not offloaded it yet but that is on the cards very soon ! Poppy - TDCI (Puma) 110XS 2.2 - Camper conversion - see the build here - https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic56530.html
Elgar -TDCI(Puma) 110XS Dormobile - now sold
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diesel_jim



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LC 4.5 V8 diesel Thumbs Up Thumbs Up Thumbs Up Thumbs Up Thumbs Up
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familymad



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I know but that thing commands a £10k premium over the ones that are 5 years younger and it’s £520 a year tax stinger.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/ad...amp;page=1

Shame it was Nene that did the work!! 1951 80" S1 2.0
1995 110 300TDI
1995 90 300TDI
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markalpha



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England 2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Santorini Black
Saw the same ad for the LC200 and had same thoughts about Nene.

Driven the new LC Active auto. Really liked it, better than a 110 on the road in so many ways. Only downside was load space. Getting seriously tempted by the Hilux for longer trips and keep the 110 for uk.
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familymad



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Was that with the two seats in the back. I think they fold flat now but it does still take room up. In the past they appeared to fold up each side and robbed the boot of room. The utility has 5 seats only and a deeper boot I think. 1951 80" S1 2.0
1995 110 300TDI
1995 90 300TDI
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markalpha



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England 2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Santorini Black
It had 7 seats, rear 2 folded flat into the floor. With 5 seats you would have more depth. It all depends how much stuff you take on your travels. You could always use a roof rack.

We need the space for dogs, so need a bigger load area.

Have a test drive and see what you think. The V8 is also worth a test drive. That did feel very big both on the inside and on the road. Felt bombproof as well!
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familymad



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I won’t dare try the V8 as it sounds like an engine that will sell itself to me.... such a sucker for an eight. 1951 80" S1 2.0
1995 110 300TDI
1995 90 300TDI
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familymad



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Test drive booked in a white 5 door utility manual tomorrow. Let’s see what all the fuss is about. 1951 80" S1 2.0
1995 110 300TDI
1995 90 300TDI
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