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| donmacn Member Since: 07 Nov 2017 Location: Nth Scotland Posts: 1890  
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This maybe isn't the place, but I'll echo what Mo has just said about the high lift being dangerous.
A few years ago I got stuck in the snow at the side of a wee road up in the hills of Speyside. Long story - trying to get round a spun and jammed Transit sitting across the road; wee small hours; no-one around; blizzard conditions. I had practiced with the jack before - but in the dark, with lots of task-loading going on I forgot to clip the handle up. My plan had been to 'walk' the car sideways back onto the road. Jack handle came up under load, got me right across the right side of my face. I was nearly knocked out - swaying on my feet and literally 'saw stars' - but I was really very lucky. I broke my cheekbone in three places - but an inch either way and I could have been dead, or had my nose taken off completely. I could have been knocked out in the snow and died of exposure. I've now bought a nice, straightforward LR bottle jack and will one day sell the Hi-lift. It's obviously a great tool in the right context - but not without its risks. Donald 1994 Defender 300Tdi 110 SW - owned since 2002 - 230k miles and going strong (The 'rolling restoration' or tinkering thread: http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic58538.html ) 2000 Range Rover P38 4.0L V8 in the past.. RR classic - fitted with 200Tdi 1984 RR classic - V8 with ZF auto box 1993 Discovery 300Tdi not to mention the minis and the Type 2 VW camper... |
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28th Feb 2018 5:48pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20916 
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Should have gone to spec savers Mo. I never said any such thing. I mentioned that the bottle jack overall is safer. The Hi Lift is safe when used responsibly and in the right situation can prove useful especially off road and on green lanes. Over all the bottle jack is a best all rounder, but I like to have both to suit situation.
You can also use both as a fail safe if need. It’s worth bearing in mind the Sprinter jack is also a bit taller than OE. So I am not sure how well you’d come off with a puncture and reduced axle height, can anyone confirm? This was why I went for the genuine bottle jack, and got a good price as well. ____\We|Will|Win/___ ____/🇬🇧🇺🇸\____ _//*⛽️🛢️⚙️🧰*\\_ |
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28th Feb 2018 6:41pm |
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| miker Member Since: 13 Sep 2015 Location: Surrey Posts: 1784 
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Bought a disco bottle jack to replace the useless wind up that came with mine. Works great, easy to use, quick and useful in other jobs/vehicles. Like that time I popped a trailer tyre!
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28th Feb 2018 8:11pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20916
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I think the disco one mentioned above is identical as far as I can tell except for colour to a new Def one.
Possibly the handle may be different but they both do the job perfectly.  ____\We|Will|Win/___
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28th Feb 2018 8:18pm |
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| Grouse Member Since: 16 Apr 2012 Location: on the hill Posts: 533 |
The screw thread pillar jack is slow, but it does the job, is safe and does have its benefits.
30 years ago, my 110 V8 County was bogged to its axles in mud off road. The pillar jack enabled me to jack the vehicle up and out of the mud and throw a load of stone under the front axle so that I could drive out. The large jack pad prevented it sinking and I remained clean and safe. I wouldn't have been able to use the std bottle jack as I couldn't get under the axles due to the mud, and even if I had, the small jack base would have sunk in the mud, disappeared and I would have been on my knees covered in mud. Yes, the screw pillar jacks are slow, but they work and are safer than a hi-lift in inexperienced hands - plus the vehicle came with it and no additional purchase was necessary. For road use the bottle jack is best, but for all round use including off road I would take the screw pillar jack in preference. It's only down side is that it is painfully slow and large. The best option is to have both. |
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28th Feb 2018 9:08pm |
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| Mash Member Since: 09 Feb 2015 Location: Guernsey Posts: 1674  
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If worried about using the bottle jack off road just keep a good block of wood in the back, I have done since seeing how effective it is
90 wolf - Jasmin http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic39408.html
90 V8 - Maggie http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic42564.html 110 TD5 - Buggsy http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic59029.html 52HG25 lightweight https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic72342.html D3 Hse - Fiona Capri 2l S - Anna Think I might have a problem............ |
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28th Feb 2018 9:55pm |
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| Mo Murphy Member Since: 01 Jun 2008 Location: Letchworth Garden City, Herts Posts: 2362 
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I'm back from Specsavers, reread your posts and your first post still recommends a Hi lift jack as a tool for changing wheels on the road as the OP was requesting advice for ! In fact the OP specifically said he didn't want a Hi lift
 
However, I've learned from this exchange. Good luck changing wheels on the road with a Hi lift, I look forward to viewing it from a safe distance
Mo The Land Rover 90 - Many are called, few are chosen. 50 Shades of Pennine Grey |
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28th Feb 2018 10:00pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20916
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28th Feb 2018 10:03pm |
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| Grouse Member Since: 16 Apr 2012 Location: on the hill Posts: 533 |
I already do that - I have an 18" square piece of 1" marine ply. The trouble is there are times that you simply cannot get a bottle jack under the axle - such as if it's bogged knee deep in mud |
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28th Feb 2018 10:16pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20916
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^^^^ This is my point, the same applies with deep ruts as well.
That's why I like both, currently I've got just the bottle jack but will be getting a hi lift too. Regardless of what ever jack you do use, none are to be trusted or disrespected. ____\We|Will|Win/___ ____/🇬🇧🇺🇸\____ _//*⛽️🛢️⚙️🧰*\\_ |
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28th Feb 2018 10:48pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17876 
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No problem changing a wheel with a Hilift, just bung a strap round the axle and chassis by the wheel you're changing so it comes off the ground before the opposite side starts to lift.
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28th Feb 2018 11:37pm |
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| Mash Member Since: 09 Feb 2015 Location: Guernsey Posts: 1674
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If it’s that bad we could go down the air bag jack route so many options depending on needs and conditions, but I think the best advice for the question in hand comes back as a Land Rover bottle jack. 90 wolf - Jasmin http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic39408.html
90 V8 - Maggie http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic42564.html 110 TD5 - Buggsy http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic59029.html 52HG25 lightweight https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic72342.html D3 Hse - Fiona Capri 2l S - Anna Think I might have a problem............ |
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1st Mar 2018 12:48am |
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| Crofter Member Since: 19 Feb 2015 Location: Peterhead Posts: 169 
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Thought my 110 was the same found the jack under the passengers seat. |
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2nd Mar 2018 7:09pm |
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| Badger110 Member Since: 06 Feb 2018 Location: South hams Posts: 1039 
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I looked and unfortunately i just have the chock and no jack
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2nd Mar 2018 11:23pm |
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