DEFENDER2.NET - View topic - 2007 Puma, fails to start, no ignition lights.. l

↓ Advertise on Defender2 ↓

Home · FAQ · New Posts · My Posts · PMs · Search · Members · Map · Calendar · Profile · Donate · Register · Log In

Home > Technical > 2007 Puma, fails to start, no ignition lights.. l

Page 1 of 2

Print this entire topic ·

Andy730

Member Since: 12 Dec 2017
Location: Douglas
Posts: 45

2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey

2007 Puma, fails to start, no ignition lights.. l

Hi,

I have a 2007 Puma defender 90. 34k miles.

i've searched as best i can through the forum, but can't find an answer (some are very similar though)

I drove my defender to pick up some logs from a friends house. Drove OK, no issues or anything like that.

loaded logs, then went to drive home. The starter engaged, but almost immediately cut out. I've had this once or twice before, and simply switching it off, locking it with the fob, the unlocking it and trying again normally sorted it out. But this time it hasn't worked. Frustration and the fact it had started to rain, i accepted defeat and i got towed home.

This morning i've tried again.

The car locks & unlocks ok.

When i turn the key i do not get any ignition lights, nor do i get the green LCD screen light up (odometer etc.) I do get the yellow light for the ABS as normal. There is no movement of the temperature gauge (i've read that this might rise)

I also have a red light on for the hand brake, it seems to be on all the time even when the key is taken out and the car is locked. (i don't think that is right)

I have a ScanGauge and when i check, it comes up with TWO fault codes but when i check what they are it appears to show me a blank space for the first code, and the second code is P0000 and i can't find what that means...?

I could do with getting this started as it is currently sat on my front garden and the grief i'm getting from the wife is increasing..

Thus, any advice anyone can give would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Andy

Last edited by Andy730 on 13th Dec 2017 4:59pm. Edited 1 time in total

13th Dec 2017 2:29pm

Martin
Site Admin

Member Since: 02 Apr 2007
Location: Hook Norton
Posts: 6681

2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Montalcino Red

Check the big fuse links in the fuse box in the seat box under the driver's seat.

Sounds like part of the car isn't getting power.

1988 90 Td5 NAS soft top

2015 D90 XS SW

13th Dec 2017 3:13pm

MJN110

Member Since: 18 May 2015
Location: North Yorkshire
Posts: 380

2016 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 Landmark LE Montalcino Red

Checking your battery earth is 100% is always a good place to start with electrical problems.
The fact that you have a light on your dashboard that is lit with the keys removed could be a diode board fault on your alternator which will drain the battery all the time
I had similar issues on My BMW motorcycle years ago and it was a diode failure.

13th Dec 2017 3:52pm

Andy730

Member Since: 12 Dec 2017
Location: Douglas
Posts: 45

OK, thanks very much to both of you, i would have checked it right now, but it just started raining again

If it clears up i'll check it this evening, if not then it will be tomorrow..

(i shall report back once done)

Thanks again.

13th Dec 2017 4:30pm

custom90

Member Since: 21 Jan 2010
Location: South West, England.
Posts: 20910

As mentioned first look at earths, check battery clamps are tight.

And also Earth straps to chassis, in particular the earth strap on the transerfer box that it's clean, and tightened.

Also check underseat Relays are fully home and secure. _\Hennessey|Venom| F5/___
___\⭐️Lone|Star|State/___
____\We|Will|Win/___
____/🇬🇧🇺🇸\____
_//*⛽️🛢️⚙️🧰*\\_

13th Dec 2017 4:35pm

jrule

Member Since: 10 Aug 2015
Location: Hertfordshire
Posts: 302

Maybe ignition switch fault?

13th Dec 2017 4:49pm

Andy730

Member Since: 12 Dec 2017
Location: Douglas
Posts: 45

Yeah... i'd seen that in some of the other posts i read, but i couldn't tie up the symptoms. That didn't stop me buying a new one though

, they're not expensive, and i thought that it would be a good idea to have it on the way while i check everything... Andy
2007 Puma Defender
2005 Volvo S60 T5 (for Sundays)
1998 MGF

13th Dec 2017 5:05pm

diduan

Member Since: 13 Oct 2016
Location: Central Balkan
Posts: 260

I have the same problem since a year or so. I pull out the main rellais under the right seat and put it in again. Than its fine for the next 3-4 weeks. Defender 110 SW MY2011 2.4tdci decat, no EGR
Jeep Wrangler YJ 1990 4.0. Front 78' Dana 60, Rear CUCV 14 bolt

13th Dec 2017 7:44pm

Andy730

Member Since: 12 Dec 2017
Location: Douglas
Posts: 45

jrule wrote:
Maybe ignition switch fault?

having spent some time looking at the circuit, i've come to the same conclusion. Having pulled the the instrument cluster up and out of the way, i tried to start the car just one more time. This time i got all the correct lights and the car started OK.

I can only assume that with me messing around it the key switch area that i have disturbed the 'fault' To me, the only thing i can do now is change the plastic switch on the end of the key barrel.

Here is a picture:-

Click image to enlarge

The manual says to remove the one screw. I have pulled the one screw out shown ringed in red in the pic, but i still can't get the actual switch off the barrel. The replacement switch has TWO screw holes (one each side) and i suspect that there are two fitted to the original as fitted.

How the hell do i get to it...? OR... do i simply need to pull harder on the original?

Suggestions would be appreciated...

At least i got the car off the lawn so the wife is a lot happier.. Andy
2007 Puma Defender
2005 Volvo S60 T5 (for Sundays)
1998 MGF

15th Dec 2017 5:26pm

Andy730

Member Since: 12 Dec 2017
Location: Douglas
Posts: 45

Well... it took a while, but i'm now a bit closer to finding the fault. The instrument cluster has a multipin plug on the rear, and it is this that has an intermittent connection.

It's not clear to me if it is the plug, or the socket on the cluster, but this plug has some sort of connection to the immobiliser and it is the imobiliser that is stopping the car from starting (and on occasion killing the engine while in motion)

It's strange how one small(ish) job expands in to other jobs.. a pool of fuel on the floor had me changing the fuel filter, it has never been changed from new.

So, filter changed and now the fuel rail needs bleeding DOH...

I've fitted the EGR blank, and found that the heater inlet manifold was full of water...

Tomorrow is another day...

Andy
2007 Puma Defender
2005 Volvo S60 T5 (for Sundays)
1998 MGF

6th Feb 2018 6:09pm

Tommo

Member Since: 19 Dec 2013
Location: Leicestershire
Posts: 830

2006 Defender 90 Td5 Black LE Java Black

Don't you just love defenders

At least you seem to be traveling the road to repair.
Once all sorted might be worth checking what service items have or have not been done as if the fuel filter has not been changed!!
Good luck with it all and keep us posted.

6th Feb 2018 6:36pm

Andy730

Member Since: 12 Dec 2017
Location: Douglas
Posts: 45

How often should it be changed then???

I've done the engine oil & filter around every 12 to 14k miles. Air filter has been done, brakes as and when required. Andy
2007 Puma Defender
2005 Volvo S60 T5 (for Sundays)
1998 MGF

6th Feb 2018 7:23pm

Tommo

Member Since: 19 Dec 2013
Location: Leicestershire
Posts: 830

I do my fuel filter and service every 12k (once a year).
Did I misread your post as it sounded like you suggested the fuel filter had not been changed since new ie 11 years??

6th Feb 2018 8:22pm

custom90

Member Since: 21 Jan 2010
Location: South West, England.
Posts: 20910

I think the standard is 12k or two years which ever comes sooner. For me on low miles normally two years _\Hennessey|Venom| F5/___
___\⭐️Lone|Star|State/___
____\We|Will|Win/___
____/🇬🇧🇺🇸\____
_//*⛽️🛢️⚙️🧰*\\_

6th Feb 2018 8:29pm

Andy730

Member Since: 12 Dec 2017
Location: Douglas
Posts: 45

Ah... thanks for that... i got the vehicle in 2009 with just 7k on it, i've had it since then, but never changed it, oopps.

It's now on my list, so thanks!. Andy
2007 Puma Defender
2005 Volvo S60 T5 (for Sundays)
1998 MGF

7th Feb 2018 1:15am

Page 1 of 2

All times are GMT + 1 Hour

Jump to

< Previous Topic | Next Topic >

Posting Rules

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum