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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3588   
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I cannot think how fragments of the turbo - which is part of the intake system can reach to the sump.
Usually bits of the turbo get stuck in the intercooler... worse case they are ingested and potentially cause valve damage or scratch the bore. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing 2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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18th Jul 2025 6:54pm |
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| jonny Member Since: 10 Mar 2013 Location: North Wilts Posts: 209 |
There's an oil feed to the turbo which will drain into the sump...
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18th Jul 2025 7:05pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17876  
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I agree with Dinnu. The only connection between turbo and sump is the small oil drain pipe from the turbo and nothing large can get down that. Anything passing from turbo to sump via the induction system would have to pass through the intercooler, inlet manifold, past the valves, then somehow get past a piston into the sump, so that's not going to happen.
The fragments in your sump will have been the aftermath of the event that caused the turbo failure, not the other way round. Something major has failed and debris, probably in the lubricant, has then destroyed the turbo. I'm afraid it's new engine time.  |
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18th Jul 2025 7:11pm |
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| jonny Member Since: 10 Mar 2013 Location: North Wilts Posts: 209 |
I think it depends how 'large' 'large' is - it's pretty subjective. Did they send pics?
It should be fairly obvious if it's bigger than would fit through the oil drain, and if they have the sump off to clean it all out they should be able to inspect the bottom end, and it's not too much work to pull the rocker cover off and inspect the top end too.. |
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18th Jul 2025 7:49pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17876
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Can you post the pictures you were sent? It might be possible to identify the fragments.
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18th Jul 2025 10:12pm |
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| Siwynne Member Since: 04 Nov 2016 Location: West lancs Posts: 611 
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If the sump is off remove the oil pump and split it. If it’s a 2.2 style vaned pump and it has failed (it will be obvious) then it’s engine rebuild time I’m afraid. Look in the plastic oil pick up tube for more clues. The mesh strainer will hold metal fragments.
More likely an oil pump failure if a 2.2 leading to a turbo failure. Knock will likely be a melted piston. |
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20th Jul 2025 8:44am |
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| steve E Member Since: 06 Mar 2011 Location: Tenby Posts: 2076 
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I had the same thing happen on my 08 2.4
Was advised to replace the engine. Cost £8200 by Landrover specialist. Only a 12 month warranty on the new engine. |
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20th Jul 2025 4:03pm |
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| Beeder Member Since: 19 Nov 2017 Location: Nuneaton Posts: 19
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 Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Hi thank you for the replies - i thought i had uploaded the pictures they sent me ive tried gain Click image to enlarge |
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21st Jul 2025 10:23am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17876
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The debris in your second and third photos would be capable of passing down the turbo-to-sump drain pipe which is actually good news since it might mean that the damage is localised to the turbo. The fragment in your first photo I am not so sure about (it is I suppose possible that it has been there since new and is a red herring).
The first fragment is frustrating since it is large enough to be recognisable but I can't at present think what it is. |
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21st Jul 2025 10:35am |
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| landy andy Member Since: 15 Feb 2009 Location: Ware, Herts Posts: 5981 
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The course finish of the metal in the first pic possibly indicates it as cast metal. Would you agree @Blackwolf
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21st Jul 2025 11:55am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17876
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It certainly looks that way in the photo. It a pretty big chunk of something too, but it doesn't scream "turbo" to me.
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21st Jul 2025 1:02pm |
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| landy andy Member Since: 15 Feb 2009 Location: Ware, Herts Posts: 5981
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No. I can’t see cast parts of the turbo making it down the oil drain.
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21st Jul 2025 1:27pm |
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