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SJM2018



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JLR secuirity "upgrade"
Watched a video on Youtube of how quickly / easily people can steal a Range Rover.

They used a laptop to spoof the key and unlock it. Then use an OBD thing to start it.

So had an idle thought about a potential security “upgrade”:

Relocate the ODB port to a locked glove box;
Then leave a fake ODB port in the original location; and
Fit two really beefy capacitors powered by the battery to the fake OBD with the polarity reversed.

The idea being that if some scummer tried to nick it, they would plug in their OBD reader and “pop” Laughing

No idea if this could work. But thought it would be funny.

Although they are then likely to really vandalise your car.... 2011 CSW XS 90
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Ianb



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I know across a lot of vehicles people relocated the OBD ports for security reasons. As for the other idea, no idea if it would work, but vandalised car vs stolen are your choices maybe...

Edit - if you fitted an inward facing dashcam you could post their reaction on line and get those viral video bucks$$$ Laughing The Yeti - 110 Camper https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic90308.html
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LR Nuts



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OP - I once had a caravan stolen, never seen again.

So I set about designing a fool proof alarm system. When caravan was pitched I would select alarm, which if tow vehicle was to move the caravan ALL front and rear lamps would flash randomly. Also when driver of the tow vehicle selected lamps, indicators, brake lamps ...... the fuses would blow in the tow vehicle !!

My insurance company did not like the alarm I had designed and told me to remove it before they would insure the caravan, as, wait for it ........"the tow vehicle driver would be put in danger" ....
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blackwolf



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Re: JLR secuirity "upgrade"
SJM2018 wrote:
... So had an idle thought about a potential security “upgrade”:

Relocate the ODB port to a locked glove box;
Then leave a fake ODB port in the original location; and
Fit two really beefy capacitors powered by the battery to the fake OBD with the polarity reversed.
...



You've had this idea around 17 years after the rest of us! Rolling with laughter

Defender owners have been doing and discussing this since the TDCi was released in 2007 (search the forum if you don't believe me).

If you don't want the hassle of moving the OBD port, just fitting a security lock to it is a sensible option.

Incidentally, your local dealer or garage won't thank you when your giant electrolytics blow up their £15k Land-Rover Testbook system.
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blackwolf



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LR Nuts wrote:
...."the tow vehicle driver would be put in danger" ....


This is, of course, why it is illegal to have remote immobilisers and so on. You might stop the fleeing villain while the vehicle is on a level crossing or similar.

Can't have the public or the scumbags put at risk!.
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SJM2018



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Re: JLR secuirity "upgrade"
blackwolf wrote:
SJM2018 wrote:
... So had an idle thought about a potential security “upgrade”:

Relocate the ODB port to a locked glove box;
Then leave a fake ODB port in the original location; and
Fit two really beefy capacitors powered by the battery to the fake OBD with the polarity reversed.
...



You've had this idea around 17 years after the rest of us! Rolling with laughter

Defender owners have been doing and discussing this since the TDCi was released in 2007 (search the forum if you don't believe me).

If you don't want the hassle of moving the OBD port, just fitting a security lock to it is a sensible option.

Incidentally, your local dealer or garage won't thank you when your giant electrolytics blow up their £15k Land-Rover Testbook system.



Just a bit late to the party Laughing 2011 CSW XS 90
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Wonderdust2



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Never to late for a party🍺
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macfrank



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blackwolf wrote:
LR Nuts wrote:
...."the tow vehicle driver would be put in danger" ....


This is, of course, why it is illegal to have remote immobilisers and so on. You might stop the fleeing villain while the vehicle is on a level crossing or similar.

Can't have the public or the scumbags put at risk!.


Yes, as much as we'd like to instantly vaporise those low lifes, you'll never know the sideeffects. Remote immobilisers don't immediately shut off the engine but only after the vehicle came to a halt (at a red light for instance, which is much more likely in Germany than in the UK Laughing ).
Also you have to make sure this remote immo _really_ works as intended, i.e. that speed detection actually works. And also that it won't trigger accidentally while _you_ are driving. And that no one else can trigger it (think 'hacking'). And...

Safety can be really complicated. When electronic steering locks were new I saw a presentation at a conference on automotive electronics and was blown away be the effort that went into designing the system to make sure it wont lock while driving.
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Nuclear Nick



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There are many fake videos on the ‘net purporting to show ‘professional’ thieves ‘easily’ stealing Land Rovers. Much of it is click bait earning the posters lots of money while going unchallenged on the accuracy or otherwise of their claims. Yes, of course cars are being stolen but probably not as many or as easily as some would have us believe.
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macfrank



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Statistics tell a different story and keyless systems are still very easy to attack indeed.
Even the German public starts to realize that (25 years after Merc and Siemens invented the bloody thing Whistle )
https://www.adac.de/rund-ums-fahrzeug/auss...e/keyless/

Oh, did I mention CAN bus security https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAN_bus#Security...? Whistle Lucky even the later Defenders still have the CAN bus complexity of a 1990's Fiesta Smile

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Further reading:
https://kentindell.github.io/2023/04/03/can-injection/
https://www.autoblog.com/2023/04/18/vehicl...hod-update
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Zed



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Nuclear Nick wrote:
There are many fake videos on the ‘net purporting to show ‘professional’ thieves ‘easily’ stealing Land Rovers. Much of it is click bait earning the posters lots of money while going unchallenged on the accuracy or otherwise of their claims. Yes, of course cars are being stolen but probably not as many or as easily as some would have us believe.


With a signal relay you can steal some Land/Range Rovers in seconds. If the key is protected in the house then they get in through the boot and use a £150 key clone device from eBay to make a new key and drive away. It’s ridiculously easy to do. WARNING.
This post may contain sarcasm.
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Clemmo



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On the subject of security has anyone any experience or thoughts on "Ghost" ??

https://ghostinstallations.co.uk

Sounds simple, sounds good..but then at £500 it should be! ( there retailers are cheaper than the above link)

...and obviously they are preying on our insecurities ( mind and vehicle) to make it sound amazing

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pjm-84



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Yep have it on the BMW.

Had a previous car targeted on our drive so it was a must for me.
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Zed



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Clemmo wrote:
On the subject of security has anyone any experience or thoughts on "Ghost" ??

https://ghostinstallations.co.uk

Sounds simple, sounds good..but then at £500 it should be! ( there retailers are cheaper than the above link)

...and obviously they are preying on our insecurities ( mind and vehicle) to make it sound amazing

Thumbs Up

Clemmo


I have the Ghost on one of our cars. It’s easy to use and hopefully difficult to get around,but no idea how it compares to other systems. WARNING.
This post may contain sarcasm.
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Clemmo



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pjm-84 wrote:
Yep have it on the BMW.

Had a previous car targeted on our drive so it was a must for me.



So..is it any good?
Do you trust it?
Easy to use? Make today a little better than yesterday but not so good as tomorrow....
Defender 90 HT............Pangea Green
BMW X3 Msport............Carbon Black
Mini Electric................Grey. (wow!)
MGB Roadster……..........Vermillion
Honda Benly CD200....Maroon ------------- Chausson 98.........7.5m of fun
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