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| LET'S OFF-ROAD Member Since: 05 Jun 2022 Location: OFF-ROAD Posts: 54   
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What are the options for axle case replacement then?
Maer in Poland make an HD one, the Britpart HD one has apparently been discontinued, there was a KAMDIFFS one mentioned in another thread but apparently they no longer make them. Are there any other options and can you buy a genuine Land Rover HD or military one from anywhere still? If so where? I'm looking to buy but don't see many options. Thanks. I am posting the above on behalf of someone who has a vehicle of an age to be in the affected range. Am I right in thinking my 2016 model should be completely safe? It was on 700 miles when I bought it so I doubt it has had a replacement axle.
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24th Jan 2024 11:33pm |
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| TexasRover Member Since: 24 Nov 2022 Location: Paris Posts: 795  
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Just get a used one of the correct vintage. Easy enough to overhaul, no special tools required. Easy to fit.
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25th Jan 2024 5:18am |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3210  
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AFAIK, the military used a standard case, but with weld on trusses. Stand to be corrected however. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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25th Jan 2024 8:26am |
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| Sawn Member Since: 22 Jan 2024 Location: Weymouth Posts: 3 
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Update on the axle break and land rovers response .
Refusal to replace under modifications and misuse. They have blamed the tires. I wasn't in the position to swap at the point of recovery and honestly didn't think they would deny on a recall issue. Doesn't help that the dealer quoted landrover over £8k to fix Ffs |
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26th Jan 2024 2:33pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16883 
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I wish, I really wish, that I wasn't surprised.
Despicable and irresponsible in equal measure, and exactly what we have come to expect. For info, I was searching Ebay for second-hand axle cases yesterday to see what is out there, and there are many available at reasonable prices. If you were able/prepared to do the work yourself (or if you have a tame reliable independent) you should be able to get up and running for substantially under 1/10th of that figure. As we are both in the same part of the country, can I ask which dealer that was? |
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26th Jan 2024 2:50pm |
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| Sawn Member Since: 22 Jan 2024 Location: Weymouth Posts: 3
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It was Hendy Christchurch , I can't fathom that cost tho! Unless they felt like the whole assembly would need replacing, or half shafts would be knackered etc etc.
Some good options out there like you mentioned , but to replace with second hand could mean the axles having the same fault? I'm torn what to do I'm leaning towards a heavy duty case none lr |
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26th Jan 2024 3:13pm |
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| Retroanaconda Member Since: 04 Jan 2012 Location: Scotland Posts: 2552 
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£50 for a second hand axle case, plus a bit for some new gaskets and seals, plus a day of your time (or a day’s labour if not so inclined).
£8k is laughable |
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26th Jan 2024 3:53pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16883
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Just make sure you buy a friction-welded case from an earlier vehicle. It is patently obvious if the axle is friction-welded because there will be two parallel and very neat weld "beads" round the tube. A MIG-welded axle will have only a single bead, probably wider and less regular. I am not aware of any easy way to tell a defective MIG-welded axle from a later good MIG-welded axle, hence the recommendation to opt for a friction-welded axle.
HD options are now limited, apparently the Britpart one has been discontinued (possibly since Britpart is the only supplier of parts which can be even dodgier than Landrover themselves)! I wondered if it was Hendy Christchurch. I don't rate Hendy group at all highly (a bit higher than Inchcape though) and was very sorry when what had been Ottons in Salisbury was subsumed into the mediocrity that is Hendy. A new (bare) axle case from a dealer comes in at around £2,600, I believe. There will be about £50 of other sundry parts (which are listed on the P047 Recall Action instruction), which also estimates the time to do the job as 3 hours. Three hours will be £300 + VAT min at Hendy I think. As your axle has actually broken, you may need some additional parts, most possible a new halfshaft assembly, which will add about £370. So that makes it about £3500. I have no idea how they account for the remaining £4500++ ! I can only assume that it is the way they say "go way, we don't want your business" without using those words. |
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26th Jan 2024 4:00pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16883
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Incidentally there are some good illustrations of the two different weld styles on this forum, I think earlier in this thread (but possibly in one of the several other threads).
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26th Jan 2024 4:01pm |
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| John P Member Since: 26 Dec 2013 Location: West Sussex Posts: 270 
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This is a picture off my wife's 2012 90 2.2 TDCI which has had the recall done.
 Click image to enlarge This is a picture off my 2010 110 2.4 TDCI with no recall. Click image to enlarge I believe mine is the friction weld. |
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26th Jan 2024 4:40pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16883
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Yes, top photo MIG-welded (bad axle!), bottom photo friction-welded (good axle!).
Give that the bracket mod doesn't stop the axle from breaking, it just makes it least likely you'll die screaming in a fireball when it does (a fact acknowledged by LR in the original recall), I wonder what happens if you have the brackets fitted and then the axle still fails.... Why do I suspect that LR will say that they did the recall so no further action is needed?  |
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26th Jan 2024 6:15pm |
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| LR90XS2011 Member Since: 05 Apr 2011 Location: bickenhill Posts: 3614 
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Simmonites do reconditioned old axle cases for about £750 DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS,
I hope everyone is well and your land rovers make you happy |
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26th Jan 2024 6:25pm |
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| Mossberg Member Since: 29 Feb 2020 Location: Lancs Posts: 552 
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I bought an old but like new 300tdi axle case for £100, though I think I was in the right place at the right time for that. However I also swapped my rear axle case which I bought for £80 from a guy that does lots of play days etc in a 300tdi Disco. He buys old discos, takes the parts he needs (diffs, halfshafts etc, then brakes them and scraps what's left, which usually includes the axle less afore mentioned diffs etc.
The axle case I got was rusty but in decent order (all the brackets and diff pan was solid). I used electrolysis to clean it and made a good job of it. Whilst I can't say it was like new, I can say it was the next best thing. I made sure as much of the rust was gone before using phosphoric acid to neutralise any remaining rust before painting it with zinc rich primer and a black top coat. I used my diff, halfshafts, etc, etc but replaced nuts, bolts, gaskets, seals, bearings, lock nuts, brake discs and calipers. Bearings and seals were Timken/Corteco but calipers and discs were Britpart - though pads were delphi. I think total cost was around £450 - but that was before silly price rises! I did all the work myself. You need to be aware that a 300tdi axle case may have a different panhard rod bracket, but I think the rest is the same, so an easy enough alteration. You can do things on a budget if you're willing to put the work in! Click image to enlarge My rear axle after fitting the refurbed axle case. |
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26th Jan 2024 11:49pm |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3210
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I also got a 300tdi axle case, for £85 including free perfect condition chromed swivel assemblies, stubs, hubs etc.
Just need to find the time to replace the panhard rod brackets on the case as I want the later design, and perhaps a day to swap over. But since the brackets have been installed on my axle, and I have been a good boy, I am not that worried anymore about dying in a fireball when the inevitable happens. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing 2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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27th Jan 2024 7:05am |
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