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| Culminator Member Since: 30 Apr 2013 Location: West sussex Posts: 305  |
I think that may be correct. Certainly the build spec of my 2012 90 states that HD springs were opted for as an upgrade. I have the HD springs spare if you want them as lowered the car last month...
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28th Sep 2017 12:41pm |
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| Hal Member Since: 04 Jun 2014 Location: Bedford Posts: 91 
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This thread may help you
http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic5351.html spring colours by spring type. |
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28th Sep 2017 2:26pm |
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| X4SKP Member Since: 29 Nov 2013 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2288 
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Hello Sammyboy
This may help...as far as I know the 'standard springs' fitted to late MY Defenders  Click image to enlarge My MY2011 90 listed on TOPIx (Land Rover Build Spec') as having HD Springs Fitted and the Printed Sheet from the Dealer (when Sold) also lists HD Suspension...but NO mine is Standard...
I Tow a Caravan...without issue, things to consider...(along with Towing Weight / Rear Springs)...is the Height of Tow Ball required for your Van and how you get to this off the back end of a Defender. Also for your 'non-damaging' point consider a Dixon Bate Shocklink, (I don't use one, but those who do rate them) Click image to enlarge Good Luck...  SKIP
https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic83242.html |
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28th Sep 2017 3:24pm |
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| Sammyboy Member Since: 28 Feb 2017 Location: Hampshire Posts: 121 
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Culminator - thanks for the offer but its the standard springs that I would want.
Hal - thanks for the link...... now a bit confused....... is it the HD springs alone that stiffen the suspension or is it a combination of springs and shocks? So another question......Had all new Pumas (90 and 110) coming out of the factory got the same rear shocks or is there an option to have stiffer ones fitted? Cheers. Discovery 4 HSE Defender 2.2 110 USW XS Ford Kuga AWD Discovery 3 Range Rover P38 Discovery - 300 TDI Discovery - 200TDI |
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28th Sep 2017 3:35pm |
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| Sammyboy Member Since: 28 Feb 2017 Location: Hampshire Posts: 121
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Thanks for the advice. I have been towing caravans for a few years and am quite knowledgeable about the weights, tow ball heights etc, etc. However, I would like to buy a Defender and amongst other things use it to tow my medium size caravan (1500kg) but my problem is that the caravan warranty states that it must not be towed by a 'commercial vehicle'. I considered a shock link but apparently they are not made anymore. I have contacted my caravan dealer regarding what they classify as a 'commercial vehicle' because as you probably know all Pumas are classified 'N1' on the V5 for tax reasons not loading reasons. My caravan dealer has taken my concerns to the manufacturer who has contacted the chassis manufacturer (ALKO) for clarification. I am now awaiting a reply. For info ALKO the caravan chassis manufacturer are the new owners of DB Towbars but have apparently stopped production of the Shocklink!!! I hope their response is favourable to enable me to tow with a 90 or 110 but my preferred option would be a 110USW with standard shocks and springs. HD options would presumably be too stiff for the caravan?? Discovery 4 HSE Defender 2.2 110 USW XS Ford Kuga AWD Discovery 3 Range Rover P38 Discovery - 300 TDI Discovery - 200TDI |
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28th Sep 2017 3:53pm |
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| Hal Member Since: 04 Jun 2014 Location: Bedford Posts: 91
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Sammyboy
I think the only way to tell for sure what is fitted is to look at the springs (wipe the mud off...). My 110 is an ex Land Rover owned vehicle, it's got the Warn winch and LR winch bumper and steering guard etc, but interestingly no locking wheelnuts. It's definitely not a "standard" build (and even less now I've had it for some years). Basically I think that because they're defenders they're quite likely to have all sorts of different builds, even straight out of the factory, especially in the last few years. So really you'll have to look to see what's fitted. |
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28th Sep 2017 3:59pm |
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| MartinK Member Since: 02 Mar 2011 Location: Silverdale (Lancashire/Cumbria Border) Posts: 2664 
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USW and CSW have different springs at the back. USW springs are heavier-duty than CSW ones... see here
http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic13312.html Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's) |
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28th Sep 2017 4:20pm |
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| X4SKP Member Since: 29 Nov 2013 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2288
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Hello Sammyboy
I didn't know that ALKO now owns Dixon Bate (Bradley)...but that makes sense. As you say your main issue is for the Caravan Manufacturer (Dealer / Suppler) to 'approve' that a Defender is OK and it will not invalidate the warranty (for Chassis or general Body Structural Integrity). I thought the Shocklink was a sucessful product for DB (all be it quite expensive)...it appears to be still available through ALKO (even more expensive) http://www.al-ko.com/shop/uk_vt/shocklink-mark-ii-100kg.html I get my bits and pieces from these guys (good service and better £ than most) http://www.trailertech.co.uk/acatalog/Shoc...BA297.html Our Van is 1200kgs (1500kgs or so when loaded) whilst we never had warranty issues as we bought it second hand, (it's a 2006 Eriba and was stored in a aircraft hanger for 6 years unused) we did check with our insurance company that the tow vehicle planned was acceptable. As you say the N1 (V5 DVLA) Classification can cause problems. I don't know how this work for a Flat Bed Recovery Vehicle (Commercial Vehicle) towing our Caravan with the Defender on the back (off the road) if we ever broke down...I have this cover but just hope it is never needed. As for the original question...Our Standard Springs work fine...they actually feel to 'settle' slightly when the Van is attached, and a potentially 'bobbley' ride is 'dampened out' with the nose weight of the Van attached. If you get the OK for a Defender as a Tow Vehicle, at 1500kgs you will have no real issues at all. Good Luck... SKIP
https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic83242.html |
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28th Sep 2017 5:44pm |
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| CarMan Member Since: 29 Nov 2010 Location: Cotswolds Posts: 1777
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Sorry to hijack, but this is interesting in so far as I have always felt the ride in my MY16 hard top is firm, but always assumed it was just 'newness'!
So, from the coloured chart am I to assume (sorry if it's a dumb question) that the 2,550kg spring specs are heavy duty? Mine are red, yellow, green on both sides at the rear 
Assuming they are and given I do not tow or carry heavy loads should I replace the rear springs with 2,400kg items from utility or station wagon as they appear to be different? Have always wanted to look at the build spec for mine but don't know how to find it . . . . . . . . Rob
1993 200tdi 90 hard-top 1998 300tdi 90 soft-top 2016 2.2 XS 90 hard-top |
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28th Sep 2017 6:00pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16883 
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There was a recent discussion on here about the Shocklink and it was confirmed that Al-Ko has decided to discontinue it, which makes their website rather strange!
It is hard sofar to see any good that has come from the take-over of DB.  |
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28th Sep 2017 6:35pm |
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| zsd-puma Member Since: 09 Aug 2016 Location: Kent Posts: 2720 
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Are they? I've just read the thread you've linked to and while yours might have been, mine seem no diferent to my friends CSW. Your's may have just had the HD ones fitted as either an option or a mistake by the factory. I don't think you can say it applies to all of them. |
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28th Sep 2017 9:28pm |
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| Sammyboy Member Since: 28 Feb 2017 Location: Hampshire Posts: 121
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MartinK - thanks for the link. I agree with zsd-puma were the HD springs standard on that USW or did the initial customer specify HD springs when purchased. So the only way to determine what springs are fitted is to check for colour coding it seems.
X4SKP - thanks for your comments and links they were very useful. I have read it on this website regarding DB being bought out by ALKO and the Shocklink being discontinued (as confirmed by Blackwolf). If I ever get a response from ALKO/Lunar I will ensure whether any USW I buy will either have standard springs or fit a Shocklink (if available). I will post any reply I get. Still trying to confirm whether shocks fitted on production line were standard on all vehicles or whether there was an upgraded (stiffer) option? Discovery 4 HSE Defender 2.2 110 USW XS Ford Kuga AWD Discovery 3 Range Rover P38 Discovery - 300 TDI Discovery - 200TDI |
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