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dantastic

Member Since: 04 May 2010
Location: London
Posts: 367

Wipac Crystal headlights - which version?

I want to upgrade the headlights to wipac crystals. But there seems to be 2 versions available. One at roughly £30 and another at £65. There's a little cover in front of the bulb on the more expensive one. What else??? Which one to get?

http://www.paddockspares.com/pm678-wipac-c...ralia.html

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WIPAC-7-CRYSTAL-...0566991399

5th Feb 2016 8:17am

williamthedog

Member Since: 29 Dec 2012
Location: south wales
Posts: 3441

Get the ones from paddocks.Also get nightbreaker bulbs.
You can get stainless steel bezels too, a worthwhile mod as the originals are s***

5th Feb 2016 8:26am

custom90

Member Since: 21 Jan 2010
Location: South West, England.
Posts: 19572

As above but with Philips Extreme bulbs.

5th Feb 2016 9:32am

dantastic

Member Since: 04 May 2010
Location: London
Posts: 367

Right, that's a saving - but what's the difference between them though? Is it just that little cover in front of the bulb?

5th Feb 2016 9:37am

Wild Card 90

Member Since: 03 Dec 2014
Location: Gerlingen
Posts: 1060

2012 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 SW Indus Silver

I have both versions (now boxed up in the garage, as I current have LED´s fitted). The ones without the cap came from a reputable supplier and were listed as Crystals, but are obviously not. They look and worked fine. Excellent beam pattern and no corrosion or other issues.
The ones with the caps came in a Wipac box, and, as mentioned here, were more expensive.

The caps don´t seem to make any noticeable difference to the performance negative or positive....but they do , in my opinion, look better.

The cap is probably supposed to immitate the classic "Lucas tri-pod" look, seen here, I suppose.

1998 Tdi 90 SW,
2008 Td4 90 SW,
2012 2.2 90 SW,
2" raised Trailmaster/Terrafirma
Heavy Track Raids, 255 MT´s,
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5th Feb 2016 10:14am

dantastic

Member Since: 04 May 2010
Location: London
Posts: 367

Ok, so between them, which would you recommend as you have both?

I think I like the cap, I think it looks good.

5th Feb 2016 10:23am

GREENI

Member Since: 22 Aug 2010
Location: staffs
Posts: 10359

I've had the SVX type on my td5 90, they are also on my 110 now and I'll be fitting them to my v8. It's worth getting the stainless rings too.

5th Feb 2016 10:42am

Lost for Words

Member Since: 18 Jun 2015
Location: Warminster, Wiltshire
Posts: 200

williamthedog wrote:
Also get nightbreaker bulbs.

custom90steve wrote:
As above but with Philips Extreme bulbs.

I strongly suggest neither. See below what I've just posted on another thread:

Quote:
Cupboard wrote:
Osram Nightbreakers are well reviewed (and effective) high output 55/60W headlamp bulb. They sacrifice longevity for higher output.

Acually, they're not. As Osram's own figures show, Night Breakers emit the same luminous flux as their Original Line bulbs! This is pretty much the case with all the upgrade bulbs. To be legal, they have to stay within the regulations; their standard bulbs will reach the limits of these regulations, and so the upgrade ones are simply not brighter and are a complete waste of money that won't last as long.

A "whiter"/"bluer" bulb is often perceived as brighter, because we are much more sensitive to colour temperature than luminous intensity, but a "whiter"/"bluer" light is not actually beneficial to our vision either and is nothing more than a fashion statement, and let's face it, no-one gives a damn about the colour of anyone elses headlights!

Halogen bulbs will not colour match LEDs without a very severe loss of light so forget that. If you want the best vision, bulb life and value for money, stick with standard halogen bulbs.

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5th Feb 2016 1:05pm

williamthedog

Member Since: 29 Dec 2012
Location: south wales
Posts: 3441

My nightbreakers have been on truck for 5 years , rattled off road , down bumpy tracks, they aint blown yet

5th Feb 2016 1:21pm

Lost for Words

Member Since: 18 Jun 2015
Location: Warminster, Wiltshire
Posts: 200

Yes, but they do have shorter lives by nature, not due to weaker design.

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5th Feb 2016 1:37pm

Ads90

Member Since: 16 Jun 2008
Location: Cots-on-the-Wolds
Posts: 800

2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 CSW Keswick Green

I put Philips x-tremes in my standard lamps as soon as I got my Defender in 2009, as I'd used them in the one before - never had to replace them, so they are in their 7th year, approx. 40K miles.
Definately a slight improvement over the originals I took out (and keep as spares in the cubby), so for the extra few £, a no-brainer.
Standard colour (I didn't want blueish tinge).

5th Feb 2016 2:03pm

gilarion

Member Since: 05 Dec 2013
Location: Wales
Posts: 5084

2007 Defender 90 Other CSW Trident Green

Lost for Words wrote:

Acually, they're not. As Osram's own figures show, Night Breakers emit the same luminous flux as their Original Line bulbs! This is pretty much the case with all the upgrade bulbs. To be legal, they have to stay within the regulations; their standard bulbs will reach the limits of these regulations, and so the upgrade ones are simply not brighter and are a complete waste of money that won't last as long.

A "whiter"/"bluer" bulb is often perceived as brighter, because we are much more sensitive to colour temperature than luminous intensity, but a "whiter"/"bluer" light is not actually beneficial to our vision either and is nothing more than a fashion statement, and let's face it, no-one gives a damn about the colour of anyone elses headlights!

Halogen bulbs will not colour match LEDs without a very severe loss of light so forget that. If you want the best vision, bulb life and value for money, stick with standard halogen bulbs.

Taken from Osram’s Nightbreaker’s data sheet:

Highest luminance: up to 90% more light than standard halogen lamps
Fatigue free, comfortable driving
Optimum light for more reaction time
Up to 35 meter longer beam of light (compared to standard halogen lamps)
Up to 20 % whiter light (compared to standard halogen lamps)

Various tests have been carried out on Nightbreaker bulbs by Auto Magazines using laboratory conditions utilising sophisticated measuring devices the test below was carried out by an independent for Auto Express and cleary shows the difference between standard and Nightbreaker bulbs

Osram Nightbreaker unlimited = 101.25m/26M (332/85ft) - 3260K

Osram Standard, = 95,25/25,25m (312/83ft) - 3050K

I have Osram Nightbreaker’s fitted and can clearly see the difference over standard bulbs.
As your evidence contradicts these findings could you tell us where your facts are substantiated from. For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at..

http://www.youtube.com/user/conwy1

5th Feb 2016 2:05pm

Lost for Words

Member Since: 18 Jun 2015
Location: Warminster, Wiltshire
Posts: 200

Osram's very own data sheets:

Original Line

Night Breaker Unlimited

ECE specs restict the maximum permissable luminous flux so there is no legal way of getting around it. As stated, observed improvements with the human eye are down to the perception of colour temperature vs luminous intensity, since we are all useless at judging the latter. There will be very slight differences in beam due to the smaller filament that are also used to their advantage and results in the above Auto Express figures but that is a tiny difference, and light is lost elsewhere to achieve that.

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5th Feb 2016 2:44pm

Lost for Words

Member Since: 18 Jun 2015
Location: Warminster, Wiltshire
Posts: 200

Just to fish out the relevant figures:

Original Line H4

Luminous flux: 1650/1000 lm +/- 12/15%
Lifespan B3: 300/1100h
Lifespan Tc: 500/2400h

Night Breaker H4

Luminous flux: 1650/1000 lm +/- 15%
Lifespan B3: 80/300h
Lifespan Tc: 160/500h

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5th Feb 2016 2:53pm

Wild Card 90

Member Since: 03 Dec 2014
Location: Gerlingen
Posts: 1060

dantastic wrote:
Ok, so between them, which would you recommend as you have both?

I think I like the cap, I think it looks good.

I totally agree. The ones with the cap, the orignal Wipacs.

1998 Tdi 90 SW,
2008 Td4 90 SW,
2012 2.2 90 SW,
2" raised Trailmaster/Terrafirma
Heavy Track Raids, 255 MT´s,
Recaro CS´s, anorak, wellingtons

5th Feb 2016 3:01pm

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