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| ZeDefender Member Since: 15 Sep 2011 Location: Munich Posts: 4731   
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...or not... After 2 years, I have discovered Puma drums are famous for not being round  and rattling/banging/scraping on various occasions (especially when hot) no matter how they are adjusted. If it happens, applying the handbrake after stopping will centre everything so it quietens down for a while.
X-Brake (disc replacement) is the only permanent solution - even our German LR mechanic knew about it  Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing... |
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22nd May 2013 3:30pm |
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| Andy Jeff Member Since: 11 Nov 2012 Location: Suffolk, UK. Posts: 143  
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The most important thing I was taught about the transmission brake (other than don't try handbrake turns of course) was if possible, don't leave your car parked with it on in the winter. If it gets moisture in it (inevitable in the winter on wet roads) and it freezes on over night, you're all but
 come the next morning. To that end, if I'm not on a hill, I'm in the habit of leaving it in gear rather than using the handbrake.
Andy. |
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22nd May 2013 4:16pm |
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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6264  
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zedefender !
amazing. not being round would I imagine explain the reason for different amounts of adjustment ! I wouldn't have thought this possible - are we quite sure your mechanic has it right? do you have an x-brake now fitted? the handbrake works well enough (in so much as it stops the truck rolling) so I guess for me buying a 'round' drum would do the trick? I presume there must be others on hear that have come across this problem? |
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22nd May 2013 8:56pm |
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| Lou Sparts Member Since: 15 Apr 2012 Location: Kent Posts: 1501 
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Its not a problem its an idiosyncrasy. 2005 Td5 90 XS
Steve |
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22nd May 2013 9:11pm |
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| Happyoldgit Member Since: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3471 
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The drum will soon go even more out of true if the shoes have been rubbing. Steve.
Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades. Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW. [Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc] http://forums.lr4x4.com I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic. |
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23rd May 2013 9:13am |
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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6264
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more out of true
Steve, I know I could rely of you to cheer me up! 
more sleepless nights. |
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23rd May 2013 10:48am |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 19578
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Just imagine the nightmare that could be if the hand brake fails and your pride and joy goes on it's own little jolly and finishes up into a wall. Then the aftermath of insurance pain and anguish.  Diesel$ Live$ Matter. ⛽️🛢️👨🔧🧰⚙️ RED, WHITE & BOOST! 🇬🇧 |
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23rd May 2013 11:17am |
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| Go Beyond Member Since: 30 Jan 2012 Location: Headcorn, Kent Posts: 6676
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Leave it in gear ....
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23rd May 2013 11:20am |
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| ZeDefender Member Since: 15 Sep 2011 Location: Munich Posts: 4731
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My banging transmission brake was the reason I joined LandyZone two years ago in the first place - thank God I switched to this forum and found other similarly-suffering members. Also a LR mechanic in Colchester came to the same conclusion... after being played the sound on my phone 
After losing sleep fretting about gear/transfer boxes etc., LR fitted two(!) new drums (both original and 1st replacement rubbed unevenly - saw them myself) and eventually managed to minimise the problem with careful adjustment. It still makes some banging/rubbing metal noises after longer trips - doesn't bother me, since I know what it is and that it's fairly harmless. The X-Brake is sitting in the loft until the warranty runs out 
One thing I realised is that the transmission brake affects the whole driveline. Since it was "improved" my problems with the gearbox kicking back when selecting third gear have also drastically reduced 
Matt Tell someone you love them today because life is short. But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing... |
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23rd May 2013 12:40pm |
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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6264
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started 'playing' with the hand brake adjustment and things have improved no end.
I suspect I should be going back to LR to sort the problem but that simply scares the hell out of me. having never taken one of these apart or seen an exploded view don't know what to expect exactly but I presume if theres uneven ware this can only be due to the fixing points being off centre - I presume there isn't any adjustment in terms of centralising the drum? is it easy to whip the drum out for a little look? thanks |
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13th Jun 2013 1:36pm |
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| WelshGas Member Since: 01 Oct 2010 Location: Vale of Glamorgan Posts: 935  
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Yes. Instructions here http://www.x-eng.co.uk/instructions/new/x-brake.pdf
LANDYWATCH
Neighbourhood Watch for Land Rover Owners http://www.landywatch.co.uk/smf2/index.php |
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13th Jun 2013 4:32pm |
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| Happyoldgit Member Since: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3471
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Only as far as this bit though 
Besides the above you could always download the LR manual kindly provided by dgardel. Steve. Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades. Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW. [Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc] http://forums.lr4x4.com I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic. |
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13th Jun 2013 5:15pm |
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| Happyoldgit Member Since: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3471
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Plus unless you've got decent thin walled sockets you'll need patience to undo the propshaft nuts, having one of these makes it a bit easier
http://www.difflock.com/buyersguide/tools/lr_propshaft_tool.shtml Steve.
Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades. Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW. [Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc] http://forums.lr4x4.com I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic. |
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13th Jun 2013 5:18pm |
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| Sockpuppet Member Since: 17 Sep 2011 Location: Leicester Posts: 479
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and and So the answer is who knows? The holes in the rear cross member could be for anything! |
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13th Jun 2013 6:44pm |
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