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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11240   
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General Grabber AT2's are also snowflaked and are excellent in the white stuff. Darren
110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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9th Dec 2013 11:54pm |
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| Phoenix90 Member Since: 04 Mar 2012 Location: Cornwall Posts: 377 
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I use the Cooper Discoverer M+S, but the Nokian also gets a great review.
Both available from my tyres.co.uk: MyTyres.co.uk: Nokian Hakkapeliitta LT2 235/85/16 MyTyres.co.uk: Cooper Discoverer 235/85/16 |
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10th Dec 2013 10:21pm |
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| Timo K Member Since: 23 Aug 2012 Location: Helsinki Posts: 169 
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Spiked Hakkapeliitta...
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11th Dec 2013 7:03am |
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| g13non Member Since: 27 Oct 2011 Location: BIFFO Posts: 31 
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Nokian LT2's were difficult to find in the UK this year because Nokian didn't produce enough/any in 235/85/R16.
I bought a set easily last year but struggled to find another set this year until I was told approx six weeks ago that Nokian were going to run off another batch in 235/85. I had my new set within two weeks after that. |
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11th Dec 2013 9:38am |
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| Katoom Member Since: 07 Dec 2013 Location: Devon Posts: 25 
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Thanks all for the advice. Btw, I appreciate I'm not allowed to sell on the site (being a newbie) but I'll soon have 5 delivery mileage Continental Cross from my new 110UTW and I'd welcome a steer on how to price them on fleabay.
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11th Dec 2013 7:38pm |
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| tatra805 Member Since: 16 Aug 2011 Location: Dolany Posts: 436  
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got my cooper m+s in 235/85R16 in today
a bit less than 235 but i like the idea of having more pressure on compacted snow. Reason for these above the Nokians is that the profile of the new LT2 version is more road biased. I can imagine the Nokians work better as all-round winter-tire (more sipes=more biting edges = more grip) but i need a more open profile to cope with drifts (digging in) and semi-season (mud-sludge) conditions. What i did not see in the previous 5 pages of posts is a clear statement that any MT, AT or year-round (including the duratracs) even with snowflake symbols are non comparable to a dedicated winter tire. (note that i don't say snow-tire, which is something different again) Be aware that the snowflake standard is based on a comparison where the tyre has to be x% better than a summer tire in winter conditions. If i remember correctly 20% less braking distance. Dedicated winter tires are way above this while also taking care of traction and lateral forces. Google being your friend, a mass of information and reviews to be found between all the different possibilities. Coming from a country which is paralyzed when a dusting of snow falls down (belgium) i have experiences here in Slovakia with "moderate" winter conditions in FWD, RWD and 4WD vehicles and there is no alternative to dedicated winter tires. Not going against any "i am happy with...", "I am surprised by..." etc only saying all but dedicated is a compromise in some way. Stay safe!  |
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11th Dec 2013 8:21pm |
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| ppad Member Since: 16 Nov 2012 Location: now, UK S Coast Posts: 220 
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Tatra, I'll let you know in a couple of weeks!
Long story, but have a 90 TD5 RHD but live in Switzerland, am taking it for a winter holiday for a few months after Xmas. It has BFG 235/85 R16 with lots of tread as purchased, c/w snowflake symbol. I had a few choices.. . Buy winter tyres - as you say, specific high silicon rubber . Buy snow chains . Do nothing The snowflake symbol meets Swiss police checks. So, we'll see. I suspect that they are excellent in snow and crap on ice. I'm going for cheap chains from Aldi or equivalent to keep in the back. The Swiss are generally quick at clearing roads so... we'll see. Sold the much modified 110 2.8, in Oz Brought the 90 home from Switzerland ... |
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11th Dec 2013 11:41pm |
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| timbar Member Since: 30 Jul 2013 Location: Milton Keynes Posts: 245 
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And we'd been led to believe it was only us! 2009 110 XS Station Wagon |
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11th Dec 2013 11:54pm |
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| Timo K Member Since: 23 Aug 2012 Location: Helsinki Posts: 169
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You know it's also us... Maybe not to the same extent but still...
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12th Dec 2013 9:23am |
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| Cakey Member Since: 19 Feb 2013 Location: Cheshire Posts: 468 
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Bfg snow flake for me . Swapped my contis , feel more planted if that makes sense
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12th Dec 2013 9:56am |
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| tatra805 Member Since: 16 Aug 2011 Location: Dolany Posts: 436
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searched a bit to refresh my memory
Snowflake exists since 1999 as a reaction to accidents with M+S or all-season tires. Although not enforced by any laws the manufacturers set up this symbol to indicate a tire outperforms an all-season tire with 110% of grip.(so +10%) (brake test) Dedicated winter tires easily give more than 140% and therefore institutes are calling for a(nother) new official test/approval. Now consider the rivals and all season tires back in 1999 when the BFG AT got the snowflake (there is no periodic re-evaluation procedure) and the evolution in tire development in the past 14 years. Also, the AT does not have the snowflake in all sizes, which indicates that reaching the +10% was not all that easy or with big margin. Remember that the AT has no real siping and no soft compound (rather hard and ever lasting) the 2 main characteristics of any winter tire. I also had my AT's on in winter and was happy with them while very well knowing the difference with dedicated winter tires. This till i ended up in a ditch, so once again i do not want to start a "mine is best" just inform on some facts. To make it even more complicated a recent test showed that a premium all-season works better than a low quality dedicated winter tire (chinese brands, with snow flake). Generally the test in the link confirms my experiences. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=116 On the legal side of things, some countries requiring the snowflake, while no real specifications/requirements to it, is not all that un-logic. As tire designs change every season, and the manufacturer compares these yearly new designs with an actual up-to-date all-season tire before putting the snowflake on all tires progress equally as also the all-seasons are evolving and getting better each year. This however means that 110% today could have meant 160% 14 years ago... Now our beloved BFG AT is one of the few that didn't change shape and it's snowflake rating relies on tests done back in 1999. 2cents only 
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12th Dec 2013 11:42am |
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| ppad Member Since: 16 Nov 2012 Location: now, UK S Coast Posts: 220
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For me this is still looking a better option:
http://www.coop.ch/pb/site/bauhobby/node/7...rice.1=179 (1chf = c 67p) My BFG 235/85 AT will work in snow I imagine, and work enough at T < 7C to stop the car. I hope!
So it it just the occasional ice slope.. Do I keep and store 600 quid of tyres or 200 quid of chains? The web site doesn't say which ones will fit, I'll wander down to my local store at the weekend. But they seem cheaper over here than in the UK as everyone carries them. Sold the much modified 110 2.8, in Oz Brought the 90 home from Switzerland ... |
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12th Dec 2013 5:03pm |
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| BigWheels Member Since: 21 Mar 2010 Location: Somerset Posts: 1405 
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Last year, in the big snow, my Cooper Discoverer STs M + S were fine but for really slippery ice under fresh snow. I have TC to help.
Camskill have a good range of 4x4 winter tyres e.g. http://www.camskill.co.uk/m101b0s1524p0/Wi..._265_70R16 Land Rover Defenders. 67 years heritage, minimal appearance changes, still going strong all over the world. Not a fashion vehicle, but fashionable to own. Made for the needy, not the greedy. Ta ta Defender |
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12th Dec 2013 10:12pm |
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