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MartinK



Member Since: 02 Mar 2011
Location: Silverdale (Lancashire/Cumbria Border)
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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Orkney Grey
Test driving a new Grenadier today.

I really fancy one.

The hardest part would be selling my Defender! I thought my Defender would be the car I owned to the grave!

Part of me is hoping not to like the Grenadier Wink Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's)
Post #994083 26th May 2023 7:18am
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geobloke



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Looking forward to your opinion... Thumbs Up
Post #994085 26th May 2023 7:25am
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Moo



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Ukraine 
Will be interested to hear your thoughts. Eiger Grey MY23 D250 SE with bits. Known as Noddy.
Post #994092 26th May 2023 8:02am
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Naks



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South Africa 2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SW Alpine White
Ineos Grenadier review from an actual owner. Live first drive from my wife.

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Post #994105 26th May 2023 9:56am
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blackwolf



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
MartinK wrote:
Test driving a new Grenadier today.

I really fancy one.

The hardest part would be selling my Defender! I thought my Defender would be the car I owned to the grave!

Part of me is hoping not to like the Grenadier Wink


I know just what you mean, but I think you will be disappointed to find that you like it a great deal. I was seriously impressed when I finally saw some close-up and in the flesh and I am now trying hard (but unsuccessfully) to forget all about them.
Post #994117 26th May 2023 11:46am
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Moo



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Another owners perspective.

 Eiger Grey MY23 D250 SE with bits. Known as Noddy.
Post #994122 26th May 2023 1:06pm
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hootintootin



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Seen two in the last week in N Yorks, A cream one and a black one
Post #994161 26th May 2023 7:19pm
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MartinK



Member Since: 02 Mar 2011
Location: Silverdale (Lancashire/Cumbria Border)
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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Orkney Grey
So.. Drove the Grenadier on Friday. First impressions were "wow" this is brilliant! Lovely seats, great driving position, lots of features to enjoy! The ride is awesome for a vehicle of this type. handling is very good, and even pushing it on bumpy bends that would have a "proper" Defender wobbling around, the Grenadier never gets ruffled. Auto box is a peach. Low revs at motorway speeds, drops into 8th (top) gear just over 50mph on a feathered throttle (approx 1500 revs). At a given engine speed, it revs about 10% lower in top gear than my 6-sp Puma. Off road we know the Grenadier is awesome.

BUT - the one I drove was petrol engine (known as the B58 I believe). It was thrashy. Very thirsty. I reset the trip data about halfway round the drive (the sales guy let us out on our own!), and the average MPG (driving like miss daisy) was 22.9 mpg!!!

I would definitely not have petrol.

Hoping the Diesel (BMW B57 engine) is much better. Looking at the BMW X5 data, the petrol engine gets woeful MPG (like 29mpg) but the B57 diesel, in an X5 can apparently reach 40mpg on a run.... I know the Grenadier is heavier and less aerodynamic than an X5, but I expected better

I definitely won't be buying a Grenadier unless it gets better MPG than my twelve year-old 110 (I almost always get over 30mpg, often 33 mpg... plus I have no Ad-Blu costs either).

Hopefully I will get a spin in a diesel soon...

Overall I really like the Grenadier, but I hope they have made the right engine choice with BMW engines. My Ducato is heavier than the Grenadier (it's a motorhome), and has a 2.3 diesel with 9-sp auto. It manages 35 mpg most of the time. I think Ineos may have made a better decision to put a commercial van engine in instead... I'm sure someone like Iveco or similar would make a cracking, torquey diesel, with a very long duty-cycle at lower cost that the BMW B57... (or even a Mercedes OM654)

Failing my attempts to like the Grenadier (it's only the engine and mpg that is a concern), it looks like I may be throwing a few grand at Ashcroft and putting an Auto in my 110, and keeping it another 10 years!!! Smile There's nothing else on the market to interest me, and prise me out of the 110 I've owned for 12 years (since new - mine is one of the very last 2.4's)

I really expected to fall in love with the Grenadier, and be putting my Defender on the market, but based on my experience so far (with the petrol engine) it's not for me. Fingers crossed for the diesel or I will be retrieving the deposit I paid on the Grenadier a few months ago... Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's)
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J77



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Harry’s Garage review will live at 5 today. 24MY 90 D250 HSE, Tasman Blue
23.5MY 90 D250 X-Dynamic SE, Pangea Green - Gone
22MY 110 D250 XS Edition, Hakuba Silver - Gone
21MY 90 D200 S, Tasman Blue - Gone
Post #994308 28th May 2023 12:18pm
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geobloke



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Just seen one at Broughton shopping centre. Look good really good. Even the wife said she liked it… Different enough but at the same time familiar Thumbs Up
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Retroanaconda



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The book figure for the diesel is 25mpg so I think you’ll be disappointed.

It is a shame given that a 30+ year old Land Rover can do over 30mpg, but the Grenadier is much heavier (~2,700kg) and I guess the modern engine, while beautifully torquey and mated to the wonderful 8-speed ZF, is hampered by all the normal emissions stuff.
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RobKeay



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United Kingdom 2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Corris Grey
Harry took it on a weigh bridge and it was 2900kg. So with driver only you only have 600kg left. Vosa will have fun pulling these in.
Post #994331 28th May 2023 6:32pm
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BrickBox



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Wales 2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Zermatt Silver
 2008 2.4 110 Utility Station Wagon XS.
Post #994342 28th May 2023 8:47pm
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WizzardPrang



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Good honest review. The Harry's Farm review should be interesting. Current vehicle: 2020 Defender 110S
Gone: Defender 90 HT 200Tdi, Discovery Sport, Freelander 2

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Post #994345 28th May 2023 10:20pm
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spudfan



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MartinK wrote:




I definitely won't be buying a Grenadier unless it gets better MPG than my twelve year-old 110 (I almost always get over 30mpg, often 33 mpg... plus I have no Ad-Blu costs either).

Hopefully I will get a spin in a diesel soon...

Overall I really like the Grenadier, but I hope they have made the right engine choice with BMW engines. My Ducato is heavier than the Grenadier (it's a motorhome), and has a 2.3 diesel with 9-sp auto. It manages 35 mpg most of the time. I think Ineos may have made a better decision to put a commercial van engine in instead... I'm sure someone like Iveco or similar would make a cracking, torquey diesel, with a very long duty-cycle at lower cost that the BMW B57... (or even a Mercedes OM654)


Funny you should say that. Some years ago an Iveco diesel transplant was a popular choice in Defenders. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai
Post #994349 28th May 2023 11:06pm
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