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Morepower



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Having had two (90 & 110) Bowlers. The 90 being a fairly close copy of the Challenge truck. They are very well thought out vehicles... They are built for a purpose... basically being designed to take a hammering and be field repaired, They are everything an OLD SKOOL LR was (or really should be)...
I knew a few of the Guy's there, Always keen to have a chat & help where they could... I've watched them rebuild over night a rolled Challenge truck and have it back on the course ready to go again... Impressive stuff!!!...
Could you do this with the new one??? No chance, It'd be scrap... and if LR want to keep at least some form of credability in competion off road Dakar etc etc, They need a vehicle that's capable of doing just that....

just my 2p

Tim It doesn't matter how bad it is, It can always get worse...

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J77 wrote:
At that price I’d hope they were some fancy lightweight material.


"aluminium alloy Defender 110 Station Wagon body panels" ~ I should have read their email more carefully.
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Supacat



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Question remains where will these panels come from ~ donor vehicles like the Works V8 would seem an expensive way to go, but maybe factored into the £200k asking price?

Edit:

This article seems to suggest the answer: "what with SVO having granted Bowler permission to remake the 110 body for its latest project."

https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-britis...wler/43321
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Supacat



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The boss of SVO also appears to be well off message on the old Defender: "Van der Sande...argued that “there’s a huge market for those who like the original shape” that is purely driven by “customer demand”."

Although his point is somewhat undermined when you learn Bowler are planning for an annual output of 12 vehicles. Rolling Eyes
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Surely as far as we're concerned, and indeed Ineos Grenadier would be concerned, that's very much 'on message' Rolling with laughter Monsieur Le Grenadier

I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list.....

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SN



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Supacat wrote:
Question remains where will these panels come from ~ donor vehicles like the Works V8 would seem an expensive way to go, but maybe factored into the £200k asking price?

Edit:

This article seems to suggest the answer: "what with SVO having granted Bowler permission to remake the 110 body for its latest project."

https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-britis...wler/43321


I guess if its only one a month the panels can be had cut and shaped manually - what happened to the original tooling/jigs that was used make the original Defender panels? Did it find its way to India (as rumoured)? Can't believe JLR would have left it in any kind of usable state at Solihull... Steve N | 21MY Defender | 08MY Discovery 3 (history) | 06MY Discovery 3 (ancient history)
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Supacat



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I think someone who works for the company has posted on here that the old Defender specific tooling was all scrapped.
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Grenadier wrote:
Surely as far as we're concerned, and indeed Ineos Grenadier would be concerned, that's very much 'on message' Rolling with laughter


Quite and shows a little more of the JLR thinking in recent years - so many about turns...
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Sooooo if you see a van driving around train stations and housing estates with the word Bowler taped over, be afraid, be very afraid......
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Odd to see Bowler tweeting this out with the hashtag "defender2020" ~ is there a resistance cell working within JLR Laughing


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Bowler (@bowlermotors) Tweeted:
Can't wait to see this car complete!
#bowler #landrover #defender #bulldog #makeyellowgreatagain #defender2020 https://t.co/QAyJ3gZUqY https://twitter.com/bowlermotors/status/1327351641868292098?s=20
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Bowler article in Autocar

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/feature...-under-jlr WARNING.
This post may contain sarcasm.
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They are trying very hard to stress how independent Bowler are of JLR - yet the article is based on an interview with a JLR boss and the bloke who sits in the boss seat at Bowler was parachuted in from JLR and has no engineering or rally raid experience...
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7 Bowlers up for auction
Be interesting to see what they go for as they are being offered without reserve.

"A collection of custom Land Rovers belonging to former Bowler Motors director Richard Hayward is schedule to hit the block as part of RM Sotheby’s Paris sale next month."


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https://robbreport.com/motors/cars/bowler-...234590084/

Interesting that in the assets for Bowler Brands Ltd it lists 4 vehicles:

Defender Challenger - VO63 XYW - book value £35,500 - estimate to realise £32,000 (of which £31,477.26 is owed to Aldermore Bank plc.

Bowler Pennine V6 - FJ15 JXV - book value £61,458 - estimate to realise £45,000 (of which £43,015.20 is owed to Ignition Credit plc.

Bowler Bulldog V8 - FJ16 KDN - book value £70,000 - estimate to realise £78,000 (of which £77,320.44 is owed to Praetura Asset Finance Ltd.

Bowler CSP P1 - FJ16 LHV - book value £75,000 - estimate to realise £83,000 (of which £82,697.40 is owed to Praetura Asset Finance Ltd.

More here:
https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic70407...p;start=15

Bowler Brands Ltd - entered administration on 17th December 2019, changed it's name to RH1000 Ltd on 29th January, has total assets available to unsecured creditors of £1,609,012.47 and company creditors totalling £2,016,787.69.

In addition:

Land Rover Defender spec - GX10 WCA - book value £52,500 - estimate to realise £67,000 (of which £66,478.80 is owed to Praetura Asset Finance Ltd.
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