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Miggit

Member Since: 09 Mar 2017
Location: Milton Keynes
Posts: 72

I suggest that you look at the MOT /DOT or what ever they call themselves this week, regarding engine swaps / emissions... I know that if your have a 1998 car then you need to meet a certain standard inc cats, etc. However if you fit a pre 1975 engine to your 1998 car the at the time of testing it has to meet the standards set for a 1975 engine...which is a visual check only... no meters, no rev the nuts off it... no cats required, legally. So fitting an older engine has a lot of advantages.. All you need is to get the engine verified for it date of manufacture, of which there are companies that will provide a certificate to those ends for MOT testing purposes....

Not having to meet current emission regulations is definitely a bonus and opens up a lot of possibilities for the induction side of things.. That doesn't mean that you have to use a carb set up, you could have a full ecu injection system, but if at the centre is a pre 1993 block then you wont need cats for starters and if it's a pre 1975 block then it wont even need to go on a meter... If you're going to shell out squillions on engine swaps, wouldn't it be better to divorce your car from as many regulations as possible??

And regarding prices, I did a little digging and an LS3 in the UK is around £6500, but you have to add flywheel, ECU (at £1000) and a few other bits to boot, rough estimate is nearer to £8500

Bearing in mind that the Chevy 350 has been made for 50 odd years, I'd get an old block and then if required fit all the latest induction parts, ie. injection etc. if that's they way you want to go... but you can get up to 600 BHP with carbs... and no temperamental computers to throw hissy fits and stop your gallop... RRC 2.4 TD... it's either a stretched 90 or shrunken 110!!
ML 270CDI

3rd May 2017 12:48pm

zsd-puma

Member Since: 09 Aug 2016
Location: Kent
Posts: 2720

2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Santorini Black

bankz5152 wrote:
What about the Ford Coyote 5L V8? Cheaper engine, plenty of power for a Defender (I think they may even be more economical than the LS) plus apparently you can use the transmission/clutch from the 2007+ Mustangs auto or manual.

Or the Defender Puma transmission, as it's basically the same box used in the Mustang.

3rd May 2017 12:54pm

Miggit

Member Since: 09 Mar 2017
Location: Milton Keynes
Posts: 72

Ford Ecoboost 3.5lt V6.... 365 bhp and 420 lbs.ft and a lot shorter than a V8.. more space less head scratching

RRC 2.4 TD... it's either a stretched 90 or shrunken 110!!
ML 270CDI

3rd May 2017 12:59pm

GREENI

Member Since: 22 Aug 2010
Location: staffs
Posts: 10367

What have you got Mighit?

3rd May 2017 1:01pm

Miggit

Member Since: 09 Mar 2017
Location: Milton Keynes
Posts: 72

^ if that's aimed at me.. I'd have thought that my avitar and signature would have given it away

But I'm looking to drop an OM605 in to the old bus at some point... although I'm waiting to see what happens with the latest Diesel Witch hunt throws up... All I want is bags of torque and below 2000 rpm... that's rather Diesel territory not Petrol... But who knows... I could go big V8... just not bloody ECU's....

I've just got rid of the L322 and I'm rather enjoying ignorant bliss

RRC 2.4 TD... it's either a stretched 90 or shrunken 110!!
ML 270CDI

3rd May 2017 1:10pm

GREENI

Member Since: 22 Aug 2010
Location: staffs
Posts: 10367

I once had an Overfinch RRC with the 5.7 in it, it went rather well.

Why not go for the 606? There's a member on here who has put one in his 110

It's the one in this video.

3rd May 2017 2:18pm

Miggit

Member Since: 09 Mar 2017
Location: Milton Keynes
Posts: 72

Simple.. if you actually go on the diesel pump uk site and look at the converted pumps for the OM606 and OM605 they have the same output levels... I do realise that there will be a slight loss in power due to 1 cylinder less, but it's a small price for a lump that's way shorter and easier to squeeze in... After all, I believe that the OM606 conversion is suffering from a few clearance clarence problems cos the transmission is a wee bit too long, and I believe that the Defender has a flat bulkhead, which is more than can be said for the RRC, which has some of the engine tucked under the back of the engine bay..

Or put it another way, my car has a 2" body lift and it's tight to get the rear rocker cover off, I wouldn't want to try it on a standard car

And the RRC conversion is rumored to have problems with the oil filter, which then needs to be remote mounted with a lot of head scratching, if I can get almost the same power, with a few less torques but an easier install..... RRC 2.4 TD... it's either a stretched 90 or shrunken 110!!
ML 270CDI

3rd May 2017 3:07pm

bankz5152

Member Since: 02 Feb 2017
Location: South London/North Kent
Posts: 2082

zsd-puma wrote:
bankz5152 wrote:
What about the Ford Coyote 5L V8? Cheaper engine, plenty of power for a Defender (I think they may even be more economical than the LS) plus apparently you can use the transmission/clutch from the 2007+ Mustangs auto or manual.

Or the Defender Puma transmission, as it's basically the same box used in the Mustang.

Really? Surprising! I wouldnt have thought the Puma tranny could take the power. Good to know though, maybe a few uprated bits would be needed and saves having to get an adaptor for the tx box

3rd May 2017 3:40pm

L110CDL

Member Since: 31 Oct 2015
Location: Devon
Posts: 10540

This is a cracking thread and i'm having an awesome time reading it

1996 Golf Blue 300Tdi 110 Pick up. Keeper.

Clayton.

3rd May 2017 10:52pm

psimpson7

Member Since: 20 Nov 2013
Location: Gold Coast, Qld.
Posts: 221

2014 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Loire Blue

Sensible advice from me below!

I believe you have a Puma? If so just remap it and if that's still not enough fit a larger intercooler and bigger turbo.

It will save you probably somewhere between 15 and 50k depending on which ever engine you decide to fit.

Fitting an old 350 chev or any similar era engine is going to be a nightmare. You will have canbus to the instrument pack you will have to deal with. That is involved enough where you can link the engine canbus to the dash canbus which you can do with the LS engines. It will be far harder with an older engine. You cant swap out instruments easily in a Puma dash either. 2001 90 HT 6.0LS/6spdAuto.
2003 90 td5 soft top.
2014 90 XS SW 2.2.

3rd May 2017 11:29pm

pannawonica

Member Since: 21 Nov 2010
Location: Clackline Western Australia
Posts: 568

BAS used to do a puma 3.2 conversion, potentially more or less big block torque and it looked like a factory installation. Not cheap, however when was anything very good and cheap!

4th May 2017 2:11am

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