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MC84



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huffhuff wrote:
I can send some better pics if you like. But basically, you need to remove some of the heatsink fins at the back to account for the brace bars and wang on a couple of brackets Smile


I'd be interested in any further info, so long as it's not too much trouble for you. Did you cut the original grill or get another? Thumbs Up Thumbs Up Mike

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DonH2000 wrote:
Roof mounted light bars are probably only allowed "off road" due to being too high. Needs some one to check on legality of this.....

This is a myth that I posted about on a similar thread only the other day. Roof lights are perfectly legal as long as they're wired to go on and off with the main beam, just like any other spotlights.

blackwolf wrote:
Remember if its centre is 600mm or less from the ground it can only legally be used in fog or falling snow.

Are you sure about that, Blackwolf? As far as I can see, Road Vehicle Regs suggest no vertical limit to position of optional main beam lights - Schedule 5, Part 1 http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1989/1796/schedule/5/made Darren

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I agree with the above, I researched this many moons ago and providing a light is only on with main beam and is automatically switched off when the headlights are dipped, there is no restriction other than them being white or yellow and pointing forwards.

You can pretty much put as many additional (optional) lights on as you want and in any position and at any height.

Where it becomes more complex is for lights that are operable on dipped beam which is where the minimum and maximum heights come in for fog lights and so on. http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/
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It would appear that this is another aspect of motoring law which has changed since I last researched it.

I suspect that this is because EU regs have no similar limit, which is why DRLs can be mounted so low. Under the original RVLR these would have been illegal under UK law. No doubt the UK limit therefore had to be removed to harmonise with Johnny European.

It seems that a mandatory dip beam cannot be less than 500mm from the ground.

Edit: further research indicates that up to and including the 1971 version of the RVLR my assertion about lights mounted 2 feet or less from the ground was correct. This has however disappeared from subsequent revisions, I think because they are legal in Europe and therefore under EU law it would have been illegal for the UK to prohibit them.

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For the reasons already given, a higher mounted position would be much better:

Better beam 'throw'
Less shadows
Not as vulnerable to damage

I've mounted my 20" Rigid Industries bar underneath the top bar of my ARB, where it's nicely recessed too giving more protection, and discrete so less 'in your face' than the lower position designed for lights. Until you light the bar, of course, and it becomes a lot less discrete!

It's also conveniently at 'Ford Focus rear view mirror in centre lane' height to alert other road users (lane hoggers) of my presence in accordance with the law Wink

I've got a Lazer ST-8 that I'm getting rid off, which I bought to fit on my A-bar, before I bought the ARB. Ruby: 1999 Td5 hard-top 90, enhanced for day-to-day driving and (hopefully) non-damaging off-roading and laning.

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MC84



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Thanks for all the comments. I am going down the route HuffHuff followed and have just bought a 21" FlatDog bar. I'll list a few snaps when it's installed.

http://www.flatdoguk.com/21%22%2Dfd%2Dpred...bar%7E1411 Mike

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huffhuff



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Did you ever fit this? I'd be interested in your pics (ripping off my great idea...)

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MC84



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Hi huffhuff. Yes all fitted!

www.defender2.net/forum/topic51973.html

The above link is to the project you inspired,

Thanks again Thumbs Up Thumbs Up [/url]

Click image to enlarge Mike

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I know this is Defender 2, home of the tart's handbags


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One thing I don't understand everybody want bigger intercoolers and then they go install ledbars in front off them. Whistle Roel

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Roel, with a picture as posted by gilarion a Defender needs a bigger intercooler. Laughing
I think my Entreq intercooler breathing freely without blocking LED bar will be just up for handling these situations. Whistle
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I swapped my number plate for the LED lightbar which is actually takes less surface area. Plus the larger intercooler is full size, so even with lightbar AND number plate, I'd say it's still bigger than standard Whistle TD5 Defender 90
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Could always do what L90Andy did... http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic39625-90.html

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