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Black90



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United Kingdom 2009 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Santorini Black
Mudflap removal from bracket!

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Am wanting to change the rusty brackets on the mudflaps on my PUMA 90 XS. I have removed them from the body with the three bolts, do you have to drill out rivets to remove bracket from mudflap as I am wanting to re-use the mudflaps as they are as good as new. Any suggestions on which brackets to replace with? Would be much appreciated.
Thanks
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K9F



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Drill the rivets out and replace with domehead stainless bolts. I did when I detached mine and moved them outwards.

Entreq used to do stainless brackets at a price though. Speak to Brendan as I think Nakatanenga do them. If they do they will be excellent quality and Brendan can get them. Brendan is 'Leeds' on this forum, he is a sponsor or you can contact him here:

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Post #417130 18th Apr 2015 8:58pm
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munch90



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Drill out or grind off back of rivet

you can get cheap replacments , just repaint them with better primer/paint beford fitting

Or buy expensive stainless ones
Post #417131 18th Apr 2015 8:59pm
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nitram17



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K9F wrote:
Drill the rivets out and replace with domehead stainless bolts. I did when I detrached mine and moved them outwards.

Entreq used to do stainless brackets at a price though. Speak to Brendan as I think Nakatanenga do them. If they do they will be excellent quality and Brendan can get them. Brendan is 'Leeds' on this forum, he is a sponsor or you can contact him here:

http://www.4x4overlander.com/


Dont pay £90 for stainless( you can get a gavo set from various sources for <£20...bit of paint and your off

http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-MUC3986__7BP

http://www.lrparts.net/rear-defender-90-mu...-pair.html
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Supacat



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or you could go for ali ones at £16 plus VAT:


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Post #417210 19th Apr 2015 11:38am
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Happyoldgit



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Chequer / treadplate? Strangely enough I have never had need to walk on any mudflap brackets Wink Steve.
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X4SKP



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United Kingdom 2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SW Stornoway Grey
Hello Balck90

K9F is right drill out carefully. Drill from the rear and use around a 8 mm drill, just get your approach centered as you go, so that you remove equally the rear of the Rivet down to the Spread Washer.
I think I sent a small pilot hole down first at around 2-3 mm.

We may all do this at some point... Exclamation

The corrosion on the Mudflap Brackets is like watching a time lapse video... Shocked
Mine where ready for replacement at 3 years old, but I have seen 1 year old Defenders in worse condition here.

Refurbishment is an option, and it is not difficult to improve on the painted finish that Land Rover use.
Stainless / Aluminium is also worth considering.

I made a replacement set up from Stainless Steel, as I had the material with a fold under return edge which I incorporated into the new set, I used a local fabricator with a 5 ton press to give me the main fold, but the shaping and drilling was ok in my workshop. The white layer is Nylon to allows the bottom return edge to work against the Mud Flaps.

Again as K9F said Stainless Bolts all round (dome head on the outer brackets), hopefully I will never have to touch these again... Thumbs Up

Good Luck


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Rear inner

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Front

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Front inner

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Rear, the lower edge return and nylon spacer was just to make use of the pre-existing fold in the stainless
steel not really necessary, but worked with what I had. SKIP
https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic83242.html
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nitram17



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Did you use the original riv nuts in the rear crossmember to attach the bracket to or have you drilled them out?They look like stainless bolts to me so do you have very long fingers?
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X4SKP



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Hello nitram17

Well spotted... Shocked ...I tried really hard to get the Mud Flap retaining Bolts out but 3 were showing no signs
of moving despite a good soaking (and a wait... Whistle ) in PlusGas. All the difficult ones were in the rear cross-member, I got 1 out and sheared 2, one each side. Drilled these out and replaced them with new M6 steel rivnuts.

I then worked out that I could just get to all of the locations and thread in a M6 Stainless Steel Bolt from the inside out, locking them off (on the outside) so that my new Brackets would be held in position with M6 SS Nylock Nuts. If you look closly you will see that there is a 5mm Neoprene Gasket between the new Brackets and the Chassis at all locations...this is my OCD kicking in after doing the corrosion prevention thing I wanted to stop water / dirt from getting between the Brackets and the Chassis as much as possible.

It was somewhat fiddly the front is much easier than the rear, but it is possible, made life easier as I did this 'preparation' when the defender was up in the air with all wheels off, whilst applying the Dinitrol last year.

M6 does feel a bit on the mean side especially as I used M8 elsewhere, you could just drill out the M6 Rivnuts and step up a size, but I went down the route of effectively putting in a locked stud that won't get disturbed now, these were all covered in Dinitrol as the outriggers and rear cross member really did get the treatment, so hopefully that's it now...


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M6 SS Mud Flap Studs

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Replacement Mud Flap Brackets and Gasket to 'cushion' / seal against the chassis SKIP
https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic83242.html
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ericvv



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Black90



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United Kingdom 2009 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Santorini Black
Many thanks for all your suggestions and help it's very much appreciated I am going to go for stainless and also do the bolt upgrade
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ken



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ericvv wrote:
6.5 mm drill bit worked perfectly for me. Thumbs Up
http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic22400....nt+mudflap


I used a 6.7 Drill bit but that's just splitting hairs
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ken



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Wurth sets 1mm in .1 increments to 13mm Thumbs Up

really Wurth while investment Rolling with laughter
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