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| John.L Member Since: 02 Dec 2012 Location: Europe Posts: 36  |
That sounds good. Probably shouldn't worry then. I do like the idea of getting a new one and choosing the items I want from the start. Just have to try to get a good discount from the dealer. My last Land Rover was a Series 3 so I figured new may be nice for a change!
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6th Dec 2012 10:14pm |
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| Knot Yet Member Since: 01 Mar 2010 Location: West Sussex Posts: 197  
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From my experience, just this last month, selling a 90 utility privately and a 110 DC as part ex and not claiming the VAT at purchase made no difference to the sale price when we moved on, I wouldn't worry about it
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7th Dec 2012 1:56am |
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| farmer giles Member Since: 09 Feb 2011 Location: worcestershire Posts: 1299 
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i own a base model 110 station wagon and opted for air con and the winter pack because i too prefer the white roof and black spats with my tamar blue. i must admit i have never wanted/needed abs/traction control.
as a private buyer of 10 land rovers in 20 years, vat status of the seller doesnt register of concern; simply the condition (then the haggling starts) i have found some dealers here to be disinterested in selling defenders, even if you are a cash buyer with £25k to spend ! as mentioned earlier by matt, have a call with the forum sponsors as they are genuinely interested |
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7th Dec 2012 10:24am |
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| John.L Member Since: 02 Dec 2012 Location: Europe Posts: 36 |
Good stuff, thanks for taking the time to reply. The info. I have gained here has certainly helped with my concerns. A very good forum indeed.
I thought the same, I prefer the traditional look with the white roof, white steel wheels and black arches. I thought the ABS/ETC would be worth adding for safety reasons, did a search here but people's opinions on that seemed to differ. I think the cold climate pack with cloth seats would be nice for the winter, as would a radio. Now I am looking at the tyre options for the steel wheels. They appear to currently be Michelin Latitude Cross, Michelin XZL or Goodyear MT/R. Does anyone have any experiece with the differences? We are after a good all round tyre which works on road but also in the fields, mud, snow etc. Have always liked the look of the XZL's, maybe it's the narrow but more chunky look. Once again, thanks for all the help. I hope I am able to contribute here in the not-too-distant future too. I will certainly share my experiences of buying and the new vehicle. |
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7th Dec 2012 11:04am |
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| MartinK Member Since: 02 Mar 2011 Location: Silverdale (Lancashire/Cumbria Border) Posts: 2664 
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+1 - I bought a County because I didn't want Air Con or ABS. The ABS may or may not be worth having - personally, I think it's a complexity I can live without. If ETC was my want, I would prefer an ATB...available from Ashcroft: http://www.ashcroft-transmissions.co.uk/in...ductId=259 Great write-up here http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic13545.html One day I may install an ATB...IMHO a nice solution to "traction control"... Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's) |
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7th Dec 2012 11:11am |
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| John.L Member Since: 02 Dec 2012 Location: Europe Posts: 36 |
I thought the same but I have understood that as long as the warranty is valid, fitting any form of LSD/ATB diff. would cause warranty issues with other parts they may be able to make a connection with... e.g. all driveline components. It is a shame that Land Rover don't offer a mechanical LSD as an option!
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7th Dec 2012 11:31am |
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| farmer giles Member Since: 09 Feb 2011 Location: worcestershire Posts: 1299
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my michelin latitudes have been fine both on road and off road (supprisingly good at a icey/muddy pay and play in february) however when these wear out i will look to get some conti cross contacts. A set of new take off tyres and boost alloys go for around £850 - not sure what the factory option cost is.
the winter pack also comes with heated screen which i find useful when i am carrying wet, panting dogs! the old radio was a poor effort if you like to listen to music and a waste of money on the options that i chose, but there is a change of radio model an i haven't heard it to comment. the rear nas step i have always found useful, and if you get it dealer supplied then it is covered by the corrosion policy (mine was replaced free of charge after 20 months with rust showing). |
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7th Dec 2012 11:32am |
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| John.L Member Since: 02 Dec 2012 Location: Europe Posts: 36 |
Thank you. What would people here consider as "essential" additions to a base spec. 90 Hardtop? So far I have come up with the radio, front mud flaps, tow bar, + probably the ABS/ETC & the Cold Climate pack. The jury is out on the A/C option as it does cost a bit.
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7th Dec 2012 2:39pm |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 7712 
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tow bar & electrics, winter pack, ETC/ABS and that would do, assuming they all come with alarms CDL now? Cheers
James 110 XS Utility 130 Puma Station wagon/camper (in the making) 90 Puma Hardtop |
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7th Dec 2012 10:23pm |
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| JeremyJ Member Since: 16 Nov 2011 Location: Aylesbury Posts: 1758
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A/c is very useful, especially in the damp.
Small point, have you driven a Puma hard top? I struggle to fit in a hard top with the the rear bulkhead in. Truck cabs I don't fit in at all comfortably. Very different to a tdi/td5/any-other-per-puma-dash for space and whilst the searts are better than before they need the bulkhead removing to get comfortable. In my opinion!! |
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7th Dec 2012 10:52pm |
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| AndyS Member Since: 18 Aug 2012 Location: London Posts: 595 
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It depends what you intend to do with the car. For me, who intends to drive all over the place, I wanted air con to sort the cabin temperature when driving through Europe and central locking when driving through places I shouldn't be driving through.
The trouble with the way they set out the packages is that by the time you've added the pack that adds air con and the pack that adds central locking you're not far from the price for a fully loaded XS. While the extras you get with the XS package might seem like a load of faff it certainly is handy to have a heated front screen and heated front seats now it's cold and the re-sale value for an XS is a lot better which you'll need to think about. Have a good look around a base model Defender, they're a lot more basic than your ordinary car. I had a look around one in Kent and while it was a great car everything seemed to be a hassle to add. Putting in a radio needed a load of wiring, no electric windows, all those doors need to be locked when leaving the car, etc etc. |
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7th Dec 2012 11:53pm |
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| Knot Yet Member Since: 01 Mar 2010 Location: West Sussex Posts: 197
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Just another personal insight. If you buy an XS you are then trading in an XS when you sell and you will attract all those aspiring to have the "best" factory fitted model Defender secondhand
If you buy a base model and upgrade packs it's still not an XS and for some this hurdle will be less attractive when you are competing in the marketplace. Last year we bought a used 90 with all the upgrade packs from landrover approved. It was significantly cheaper than XS stock but the original purchaser had paid more than an XS model for it! Landrover where unable to reflect the true value of the upgrades as they couldnt sell an apparent base model at a higher price than their XS stock, we got a good bargain but the original buyer must have made a huge loss. Just my two pennies Defender 110 Puma Utility XS |
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8th Dec 2012 8:41am |
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| John.L Member Since: 02 Dec 2012 Location: Europe Posts: 36 |
Cheers folks, all good info. for consideration. Size wise I'm 5ft 10" so I found the Hardtop I tested comfy. Never had a problem in my Series 3 either, even on longer trips. Is it taller people who have issues?
Regarding the XS... they don't seem to offer 'Base, County & XS' trim options on the Utility models... at least on the 90 Hardtop. Seems to be more a case of add what you want, at least according to their website. I think it used to be different in the past but that is my understanding at least. So, if I want a Hardtop then buying a new one in XS trim is not an option. |
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8th Dec 2012 10:38am |
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| JeremyJ Member Since: 16 Nov 2011 Location: Aylesbury Posts: 1758
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Thats my point, the series 3 has more room!!
On a hard top you can take it to nearly XS level or find an X-Tech which is pretty much XS plus a few additional bits on it. There is (was?) a 90 hard top pre-reg out for a good price |
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8th Dec 2012 10:42am |
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