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blackwolf



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
Defender gains a stablemate...

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Another one joins the fold....

I picked this up just after Easter, it's a MY24 Trialmaster with the petrol engine (yes, petrol after all I said about it in the other thread Laughing ), and I have to say that after years of driving Defenders on a daily basis and for very high mileages it is a revelation.

Overall I have been very impressed so far, it is a wonderful place to be.

Initial observations:
    - (Classic) Defender drivers don't wave to Grenadier drivers
    - Grenadier drivers do wave to each other
    - It is thirstier than the Defender (but it is an petrol automatic, so this is to be expected) but the fuel is cheaper
    - The left leg thing really isn't an issue at all, at least not for me
    - The second row seating is more spacious and infinitely more comfortable than in a double-cab Puma
    - It appears to be very well engineered and very well assembled, a huge contrast to a Puma Defender
    - It hasn't (yet) leaked any oil on to the ground, nor water into the interior


Being a MY24 vehicle it has minimal and very unintrusive driver assistance (a big plus in my view, and one of the reasons I chose this one). Since it is a Trialmaster it has the front and rear difflocks, second battery and full auxiliary wiring. It also has a full leather interior (with the most comfortable seats I have sat in anywhere, and not just in a vehicle) and the twin "Alpine windows" which would be sunroofs in normal parlance.

The only oddities I have encountered to date both concern the audio, namely it is not possible to turn the radio off completely (at least not without turning off half the dash board) which I find odd, although it seems to be normal on modern cars - if you don't want the radio you just have to turn the volume down completely. Additionally I haven't yet been able to make it play mp3 tracks from a USB in a particular and repeatable order, it is even more peculiar in this respect than most other Android-based systems (a USB stick which behaves perfectly predictably in the Defender is not remotely predictable in the Grenadier). Both these oddities are minor and more puzzles than problems.
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Bluest



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Java Black
Looks lovely! Enjoy. I had a good sit in one at the CV Show att he NEC recently and I was surprised how car-like the driving position was. The floor seemed high, or the seat low compared to a Defender.

I must say though, your first point is a generalisation, I do wave at Grenadiers, but then I do wave at Disco 1 and 2s as well. maybe it's a solid front axle that gets me animated. I wonder what would happen if I saw a 70 series Land Cruiser? 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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Clemmo



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England 2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 HT Stornoway Grey
Blackwolf...

How do you get on with the switch gear?
The overheads in particular?

Ive looked..a lot..just cant quite get my head around it yet Very Happy

Clemmo Make today a little better than yesterday but not so good as tomorrow....
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Ianh



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A great looking Grenadier Blackwolf, if there was a 7 seat option I would be very tempted myself.
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BrickBox



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Wales 2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Zermatt Silver
I have such a soft spot for these. I’d have one if I moved the Defender on. It’s a Defender with more safety etc in my eyes. 2008 2.4 110 Utility Station Wagon XS.
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blackwolf



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
Clemmo wrote:
How do you get on with the switch gear?
The overheads in particular?


Love it, it is inspired!
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blackwolf



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
BrickBox wrote:
... It’s a Defender with more safety etc in my eyes.


It has been said (to me, several times, by others) that it is the vehicle that Land-Rover should have built to replace the classic Defender.

I actually disagree! Sadly if LR had built it I don't think it would have been half as good as it is.

Similarly it has been widely written that Jim Ratcliffe tried to buy the old Defender production line and carry on with the classic Defender. Again, I really don't think that you could have built a vehicle as good as the Grenadier unless you started from scratch.

Don't get me wrong, I love my Puma and have no plans to get rid of it and it still makes me smile, but the Grenadier is without doubt its spiritual successor. The Grenadier is not by any means a vehicle for everyone and is definitely not an "SUV" (thank goodness)!
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Chicken Drumstick



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Re: Defender gains a stablemate...
blackwolf wrote:

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Another one joins the fold....

I picked this up just after Easter, it's a MY24 Trialmaster with the petrol engine (yes, petrol after all I said about it in the other thread Laughing ), and I have to say that after years of driving Defenders on a daily basis and for very high mileages it is a revelation.

Overall I have been very impressed so far, it is a wonderful place to be.

Initial observations:
    - (Classic) Defender drivers don't wave to Grenadier drivers
    - Grenadier drivers do wave to each other
    - It is thirstier than the Defender (but it is an petrol automatic, so this is to be expected) but the fuel is cheaper
    - The left leg thing really isn't an issue at all, at least not for me
    - The second row seating is more spacious and infinitely more comfortable than in a double-cab Puma
    - It appears to be very well engineered and very well assembled, a huge contrast to a Puma Defender
    - It hasn't (yet) leaked any oil on to the ground, nor water into the interior


Being a MY24 vehicle it has minimal and very unintrusive driver assistance (a big plus in my view, and one of the reasons I chose this one). Since it is a Trialmaster it has the front and rear difflocks, second battery and full auxiliary wiring. It also has a full leather interior (with the most comfortable seats I have sat in anywhere, and not just in a vehicle) and the twin "Alpine windows" which would be sunroofs in normal parlance.

The only oddities I have encountered to date both concern the audio, namely it is not possible to turn the radio off completely (at least not without turning off half the dash board) which I find odd, although it seems to be normal on modern cars - if you don't want the radio you just have to turn the volume down completely. Additionally I haven't yet been able to make it play mp3 tracks from a USB in a particular and repeatable order, it is even more peculiar in this respect than most other Android-based systems (a USB stick which behaves perfectly predictably in the Defender is not remotely predictable in the Grenadier). Both these oddities are minor and more puzzles than problems.


Very nice. Smile

I admit, I went and drove them again, this time at Biscester Motion a couple of weeks ago. Previously I'd driven the diesel on road, this time it was the petrol. And I was won over. I'd go for either really, but the petrol, despite being used for demo drives was returning over 20mpg. Which is more than good enough in my opinoin.

They had a diesel for the off road course, which was just under 20mpg.

They really are the definition of my ideal vehicle. They is only one issue..... I can't afford one Neutral Crying or Very sad

Hoping they'll drop another £10k really, either that or I need to come into some money.

Hope you enjoy yours, it looks great. Thumbs Up
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Chicken Drumstick



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Clemmo wrote:
Blackwolf...

How do you get on with the switch gear?
The overheads in particular?

Ive looked..a lot..just cant quite get my head around it yet Very Happy

Clemmo

I love the switchgear, its all pretty clear and obvious. But it is. vehicle with many features, so well worth learning what they all do and why. I'm also sure you'd get very used to the switches you use often.
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custom90



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Very nice BW - I hope you enjoy it as well as the 110. Mr. Green

I see you’ve already got her shod in good rubber just like the 110. Thumbs Up _\Hennessey|Venom| F5/___
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Nice. very nice.

Just needs a Husky and some 255 MT's Cool
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DSC-off



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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Aintree Green
Congratulations on the new truck!

It sounds like the ideal spec I would have gone for, petrol and locking diffs.
Hope all goes well and look forward to your updates. Thumbs Up
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blackwolf



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
diesel_jim wrote:
Nice. very nice.

Just needs a Husky and some 255 MT's Cool


In due course one of the new Red Winches mounts may appear on the front, incorporating a receiver hitch. I've already put together a demountable rear winch, it would have been rude not to since the vehicle is prewired for one! Cool .

The BFG KO3s were factory fit, one day they may become KM3s or similar, they're fine for now.
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Ianh



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I’m wondering if you can fit a nato pintle , and would it be type approved, I assume not but a a Penman would look equally at home behind the Grenadier as it does behind a defender.

Ps. portal axles ? .. if only they were not so expensive Sad
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blackwolf



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
The portal version is awesome but VERY expensive, I suspect has a reduced payload (still 3500kg MAM) and really isn't suitable for everyday use. I'd buy one in a shot if I was footballer-wealthy but I'm not! Sad

I see no reason why you couldn't fit a NATO pintle legally. The hitch mount is drilled for both BSau24 and BS ISO 1103:2007 (formerly BSAU114s) fittings (i.e. four hole and two hole couplings) and I've fitted a type-approved DB ladder. A TA pintle can therefore be fitted but might be a bit low, really it needs to be at bumper level.
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