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458GT



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90 Defender towing another 90 Defender
Can a Defender 90 TD5 or Puma legally/safely tow another 90 (ideal to know for another TD5 / Puma for any weight readings)?

Would be using a 2600kg rated BJT A4 trailer which I believe is 1930kg load capacity according to the website.

If so would 4 over wheel straps be sufficient? Likely leave the winch locked in place too.

Travel is approx 20mi mix of roads, my friends landy is being dropped off for some long term storage and in the absence of spare driver / alternative tow vehicle, hopefully this can suffice...

I'm not a frequent tower for anything other than a much lighter car and so my knowledge is a little rusty on making the correct judgement on this.
Post #1010775 10th Oct 2023 7:30pm
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Chugga90



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The defender can tow 3500kg
Post #1010780 10th Oct 2023 8:03pm
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blackwolf



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Of course, why would you have any doubt?

Assuming your license allows it you can tow 3500kg gross behind any classic Defender or series Land-Rover.
Post #1010782 10th Oct 2023 8:05pm
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458GT



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Thank you, much appreciated!

A google search seems the load will be at the upper limit of the trailer capacity, but otherwise it now seems fine.
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Mdm



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strap wise you need all 4 wheels tied down. i would not leave the winch line on as the body will move and may damage the winch as it shock loads the cable.

trl will be on or just over its weight limit but lower speed and non mway will be fine. best to make sure tyres are set to max pressure ( they never are) as this will help.

same goes for the towing truck as it will help handling.
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I Like Old Skool



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This was me today (yesterday now....)

Not a 90 pulling a 90, but Tbh it was barely much different with the trailer empty or loaded. 440 miles and half of that with the trailer loaded. For a short, careful trip of only 20 miles, provided you are within the legal and mechanical limits of the tow rig then I would not be worried. IMO the 90 is not the best tow vehicle due to its short wheel base but if properly loaded with the correct nose weight you should be ok.

Might be worth checking the state of the suspension bushes and steering linkages before hooking up that trailer if you are not sure about the tow vehicles condition!
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+1 on not attaching the winch to anything. Definitely strap all 4 wheels. For reference, I pumped up my 110 tyres to 36psi front and 42psi rear (usually run at 30 or 32psi all round) and the borrowed trailer was at 50-55psi but tyres rated for max load at 90psi so I put 80psi in them.
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NickMc



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I would always do the wheels and strap the body down on a longer trip as it kills the wobbles on a defender.
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blackwolf



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Personally I prefer where possible to block the suspension on the carried vehicle and use crossed chains with dwangs at each end, rather than wheel straps, unless it's a very short haul, since the trailer and load become a single solid lump allowing the trailer suspension to work properly and without the carried vehicle's suspension bouncing around independently.

It's just a personal preference and possibly OTT but I find the trailer tows more comfortably and predictably and feel it's safer.
Post #1010926 11th Oct 2023 10:56pm
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458GT



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Thank you all!

All useful / helpful advice to keep in mind. Will be a short haul of mostly lanes and minor carriageway for 2 miles, but at sensible pace so I think it will be fine. Fuel is low on the Defender to be carried so it all helps somewhat with weight.

No issues strapping the wheels down, but when you mention to strap the body down, if I strap via the tow bar to further secure the back, but what about the front?
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I Like Old Skool



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Tow hooks, that's what they are for.
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Give yourself plenty time with trailers keep it at a pace you're comfortable with always need to be stay alert to driving conditions ahead as others have said towing land rovers or other 4x4s with with bigger suspension travel and higher center of gravity they can rock the trailer take your time (especially on downhills where it's more difficult to slow down with the added push of trailer) and will be right enough Smile
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Screbble



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blackwolf wrote:
Personally I prefer where possible to block the suspension on the carried vehicle and use crossed chains with dwangs at each end, rather than wheel straps, unless it's a very short haul, since the trailer and load become a single solid lump allowing the trailer suspension to work properly and without the carried vehicle's suspension bouncing around independently.

It's just a personal preference and possibly OTT but I find the trailer tows more comfortably and predictably and feel it's safer.


I do like the word ‘dwangs’ - as always great advice BW.
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blackwolf



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I've always wondered about the origin of the word "dwang" in this context (a device for tightening a securing chain). Popular culture says it is an onomatopoeia for the sound the lethal over-centre type makes just before it knocks all your teeth out and smashes your jaw.

(Never use an over-centre dwang if you can help it, they are exceedingly dangerous and the transport industry has been calling for a ban for years. Always use the bottlescrew ratchet type and enjoy a longer life).
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458GT



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nicholas2012 wrote:
Give yourself plenty time with trailers keep it at a pace you're comfortable with always need to be stay alert to driving conditions ahead as others have said towing land rovers or other 4x4s with with bigger suspension travel and higher center of gravity they can rock the trailer take your time (especially on downhills where it's more difficult to slow down with the added push of trailer) and will be right enough Smile


Thank you very useful points that I'm happy to know in advance. Far more confident now doing all that I can Thumbs Up
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