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| LandymanStefan Member Since: 30 Aug 2017 Location: Surrey Posts: 860   
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I remedied mine with a lof power spec with single mass flywheel and after the truck was smoother than its ever been.
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3rd Feb 2023 10:17pm |
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| andy2111 Member Since: 17 Oct 2021 Location: Kent Posts: 365  
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I have the LOF SMF kit, it's great on my truck for handling the extra power from my tuned TD5, but the downside for me is its noisier and there's a noticeable resonance point around 2000 rpm where it throbs like an old washing machine TD5 hardtop to Puma inspired Poptop - my build thread
2002 110 TD5 Hardtop ¦ Full Puma interior ¦ Carpathian grey / Santorini black ¦ X-Vision-X poptop |
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4th Feb 2023 12:54am |
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| Rivarama Member Since: 28 Aug 2021 Location: London Posts: 155 
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Interesting I had never heard that before.
May I ask what people recommend between a DMF and SMF? I use the car mainly to get the dog and family around as a week end car with the occasional lanes, and will do 4-5 proper off-roading trips a year. I might also get a stage 1 upgrade on my engine too eventually. |
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4th Feb 2023 9:41pm |
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| TexasRover Member Since: 24 Nov 2022 Location: Paris Posts: 794  
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One benefit of the solid flywheel is that it lasts longer and it is cheaper to buy.
However how many miles are you realistically going to do. Most defenders are no long working vehicles and are mainly used recreational, sounds like yours is. This is mosl likely going to the last flywheel replacement on your car during your ownership. On the cost side, how does the cost difference compare to the installation cost ( or effort ). For a little bit more overall cost you enjoy more comfort. Unless you are running your Landrover on a tight budget I would go for the dual mass option |
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5th Feb 2023 8:45am |
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| Rivarama Member Since: 28 Aug 2021 Location: London Posts: 155
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Texasrover - I agree 100% with your comment.
I am not trying to scrape a few ££ but was asking what clutch is the best. Everyone swears by LOF Clutches for their durability and build quality. They only seem to be building SMF kits and they are more expensive than any DMF I can find. I seem to read that most people seem to recommend against DMF as many seem to go wrong early. I don’t want to change mine again anytime soon and would be very happy to spend more now. So before spending £600 on their SMF clutch kit, I wanted to make sure that’s the right one for me. |
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5th Feb 2023 9:23am |
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| ibexman Member Since: 13 Dec 2008 Location: kent Posts: 2874
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Opps
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5th Feb 2023 10:13am |
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| ibexman Member Since: 13 Dec 2008 Location: kent Posts: 2874
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DMF all day OE 👍
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5th Feb 2023 10:14am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16879 
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It's very difficult to make a satisfactory sprung driven plate suitable for a modern high-revving diesel engine, hence the popularity of the DMF, and incidentally the significant problems LR had with the sprung clutch in the TDCi. It hasn't been helped by the fact that LR seems to have forgotten how to design or select a clutch of any kind.
The TD5 DMF is great when it is in good condition but is relatively short-lived, very prone to judder, expensive to replace, and really doesn't like being driven like a torquey truck diesel (it doesn't like being engaged at very low engine speeds, the DMF springs seem unable to cope). The Puma clutch was truly awful in the early years and still isn't great, but the latest versions are probably more satisfactory than the TD5 DMF, at least in my opinion, and is much better suited to the characteristics of the TDCi engine. The downside is that you will ALWAYS get much more chatter in neutral and more resonance noise and effects with this type of clutch in a high-revving modern diesel than you will with a DMF, and this is something which is unacceptable to many. It is worth bearing in mind that there is a reason why JLR binned the DMF for the Puma/MT82 installation, after all the Transit (except 4x4) uses a DMF for the same combo. |
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5th Feb 2023 11:23am |
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| andy2111 Member Since: 17 Oct 2021 Location: Kent Posts: 365
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SMF is definitely recommend if you have or plan to have a tuned engine.
LOF offer a range of heavy duty clutches that will work with the standard Valeo flywheel. TD5 hardtop to Puma inspired Poptop - my build thread 2002 110 TD5 Hardtop ¦ Full Puma interior ¦ Carpathian grey / Santorini black ¦ X-Vision-X poptop |
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5th Feb 2023 11:58am |
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| ibexman Member Since: 13 Dec 2008 Location: kent Posts: 2874
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I think I read somewhere the DMF was used for the imbalance of the 5 cylinder engine 🤔
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5th Feb 2023 12:40pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16879
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One of the joys of a 5-cylinder engine is that there should be minimal imbalance, far less than on a 4.
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5th Feb 2023 1:21pm |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3208  
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5 cylinders on a 4 stroke engine means that there is an overlap of the firing stroke. That makes the need for a DMF less than say a 4 cylinder. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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5th Feb 2023 1:35pm |
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| ibexman Member Since: 13 Dec 2008 Location: kent Posts: 2874
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Sorry I spoke ,I’ll leave it to you experts 🙈😂
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5th Feb 2023 1:39pm |
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| kenzle8a Member Since: 12 Feb 2020 Location: None Posts: 1074 
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I’ve done about 15k now on my lof power spec and smf, no complaints at all. I also tow well over 3 tones every weekend In the summer and it’s been fine.
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