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| warren Member Since: 14 Oct 2009 Location: East Lancs. Posts: 903   
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We holidayed around France when I first got Big Black. To be honest the noise wasn't really an issue, we could still have a conversation without having to raise our voices that much even at 75+. Suitcases and tents in the back suppressed quite a lot of the road noise, and the engine was never really intrusive, even with the volume on the radio quite low. The quality of the French roads helped a lot too, much less road noise than you seem to get over here! I'd say it was no worse than my old Astra on a long run.
My main complaint was the lack of bass on the stereo... |
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7th Oct 2011 11:17pm |
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| bob neville Member Since: 30 Apr 2009 Location: Marbella Posts: 3247  
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BM
I have had a Noisekiller kit fitted for over a year now. My DC had a lot of resonance and tyre noise that made it a bit of a pain on a long journey. The NK kit does reduce this noise and a 6/8 hour motorway/A road journey is now a pleasure 
Not expensive and does not take long to fit so,in my opinion, worthwhile, Bob |
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7th Oct 2011 11:24pm |
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| MartinK Member Since: 02 Mar 2011 Location: Silverdale (Lancashire/Cumbria Border) Posts: 2664  
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I put in my Noisekiller yesterday.
Mine's a Utility SW. There was a lot of resonance from the rear on normal dry roads. On wet or gravel roads the noise from the rear wheelarches was way too loud. The NK seems to have done the trick. I only bought the kit for the rear tub, and under the bonnet (not the whole kit). Early days, but so far I am very pleased. It took about 2 hours to fit, mainly because I was finding my way around the new car as I went. It I did it again, it would take half the time... Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's) |
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8th Oct 2011 5:07am |
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| rossy Member Since: 29 Nov 2010 Location: Co. Roscommon Posts: 1296  
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Hi BM
I have been using noisekiller kits in every car I have owned in the last 10 years and have found them to be excellent. When I bought the 110 however I didn't think the full kit was necessary. If you have LR mats for instance they are quite thick - especially the rear loadspace one - and they go straight on to quite thick carpet so another layer of noisekiller isn't going to make a huge difference to those areas. Also if you look at the bulk head area Land Rover have done a pretty good job insulating what was never designed with accoustic properties in mind. IMHO the only areas of the vehicle that need a bit extra are the engine and the rear wheelarches -especially the area immediately behind and to the side of the rear seats (where the wheel arch slopes downwards to the floor there is just a big square of exposed metal. I found a lot of road noise coming from that !) So, for the engine I got noisekiller's engine blanket. Expensive at £90 ish but fitted in minutes, easily removeable and I was impressed with the result. For the wheel arches I used a combination of butyl flashing and noisekillers barrier mat - so I only spent about £150. Not sure if putting any more in would be law of diminishing returns stuff - alot of messing about with little result. Not long after buying the 110 I had a couple of long trips to London and back which meant virtually all day at motorway speeds. Never owned or driven a Landrover before and couldn't believe how comfortable or 'not noisy' it was. The only thing that was irritating was the tinny sound of the radio but there's plenty of suggestions on this forum on how to improve it. I prefer the (now more muted) sound of the white van man puma engine anyway ! |
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8th Oct 2011 8:13am |
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| wurzell Member Since: 29 Jan 2011 Location: oxfordshire Posts: 141
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hi
 i used dynamat in swmbo,s 90 although its not land rover specific you have to cut to size we are very pleased with the results,ive used it for many years in lots of different cars and have found it to be a great product quite expensive but worth it imho paul n tash |
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8th Oct 2011 8:24am |
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| Grockle Member Since: 24 Nov 2008 Location: Peak District National Park Posts: 2266 
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Noisekiller
2.4 90 XS
1968 1/32 scale Britains 109 Pick up. |
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8th Oct 2011 8:38am |
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| pom Member Since: 01 Jun 2010 Location: Worcester Posts: 1343 |
dont forget to to wrap the handbrake in baking foil to stop second degree burns on your leg after a days driving.
Pom |
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8th Oct 2011 9:25am |
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| Tim_NZ Member Since: 05 May 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 177 
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On a side note.... the "new type" door seal made a huge difference to the noise levels in my 110.
Info here: http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic6370.html Cheers, Tim |
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8th Oct 2011 10:16am |
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| rossy Member Since: 29 Nov 2010 Location: Co. Roscommon Posts: 1296
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mines got the updated seals but LR seem to have forgotton the back door as you can see daylight right across the bottom edge - well on mine anyway
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8th Oct 2011 12:22pm |
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| AlpenAndes Member Since: 20 May 2011 Location: Currently Chile Posts: 128  
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Hi,
at the dealer here behind the Andes where I bought my 110 SW it was not even known that they are available with a carpet, so I got it with a skin of plastic on the floor. Easy to clean, that is why I don't mind it, but really noisy. Above 100km/h no conversation was possible, not even thinking about listening to music. First I fit noise killer, without the engine blanket. Not cheap but a huge improvement, conversations were possible, listening to music as well, not classic though, and stones hitting the body on the dirt road every day to work did not seem to fly through the inside of the car anymore. I also bought the foam from noisekiller to fit inside the roof, did not want to destroy the roof myself and asked the dealer to do it. They destroyed the roof and said the foam is to thick, which I found out was not the case, it was just the way they wanted to fit it. So, roof replaced and self adhesive foam destroyed. I was still not happy enough and although Steve from noisekiller said it would not help a lot fit a rather inexpensive 10mm cotton fleece into the five doors, there is enough space between window mechanism and outer skin, the entire roof, this time myself, and inside all the covers you anyway need to remove to get to the roof. A lot less noise again. Then I put some inside the seat boxes, inside the dashboard, underneath the seats and the cubby box. As a forth step I also put some more on top of the NK on the floor. Somebody called it once a white eagle on white ground. Still, if I buy another one, that would be one of the first things I would do before fitting any chequer plate. With all that it is now possible to listen to classical music and talk, not screem, on the handsfree with 120km/h. You hardly hear the noise when releasing the clutch too fast. The doors do not sound like a empty tin can, rather like a real car door profound clonk. As for the speakers, it helps quite a lot to fill the empty space behind them with sound proofing material. The experience of the hot hand break handle I cannot share, don't have that for some lucky reason. It is not the same than in a luxury german car, but it was not a lot of work to improve the noise. I do not understand why this people can build Range Rovers with a silent cabin, but do not fit at least a bit of sound proofing in the defender. I am happy, the only one worried is the dealer with no idea about the car they sell. They already warned me three times that they will not provide warranty when the car burns down after over heating because of being stuffed. A worry I cannot share. Spring greetings from Santiago Oskar |
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8th Oct 2011 12:23pm |
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| bm52 Member Since: 04 Apr 2010 Location: Kent Posts: 2189 
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Thanks for all you advice and comments. looks like i have about three options.
1. fit just the engine blanket or with number 2 or 3. 2. go the full NK route. 3. put some Dynamat on the front floor, rear floor and wheel arches. Has anyone jsut fiited the engine blanket on it's own and was it worth it? Regards BM52 |
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9th Oct 2011 5:29pm |
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| AndrewS Member Since: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Hereford Posts: 3707 
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I have covered just about everywhere including the underside of the roof (yes headlining out) with sticky back sound proofing. I used either 10mm or 20mm thick.
Got it from here http://www.acoustafoam.com/ 130's have feeling's as well you know  |
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9th Oct 2011 6:28pm |
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| ZeDefender Member Since: 15 Sep 2011 Location: Munich Posts: 4731  
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This Summer we covered 3000km in a standard 110 SW 7-seater driving around Italy - motorway and cart-tracks. There were six of us in the car and everyone talked, slept, listened to music, watched DVDs etc. with not one complaint about noise (or vibration!) In fact I think it's even quieter than our VW bus (T4).
The Puma may have a  gearbox but it certainly is the quietest Defender and it makes a bloody good "family car" Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing... |
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9th Oct 2011 7:19pm |
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| Happyoldgit Member Since: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3471 
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I fitted a full NK kit to a couple of my TD5's and they made a marked difference - especially the under-bonnet and blanket. I've not found the noise in the Puma's that intrusive compared to earlier models so haven't bothered but might be tempted with an engine blanket. Steve.
Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades. Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW. [Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc] http://forums.lr4x4.com I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic. |
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9th Oct 2011 8:11pm |
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