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lightning



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Post #1026370 29th Feb 2024 2:58pm
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Retroanaconda



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Nice pair. Can really see the lineage there
Post #1026371 29th Feb 2024 3:01pm
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LR Nuts



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Post #1026373 29th Feb 2024 3:06pm
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Mr Fox



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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 HT Keswick Green
Had mine for about a month now and whilst the purist probably won't want to hear it (or believe it), I'm surprised at how special the 90, at least in hardtop format, feels to drive. The charm and unstoppable feel of the L316, at least in my opinion, has been retained.

Great photo and nice to see the two together.

PS - Lightning, please tell me you were getting a kebab, pizza and/or burger! Mr. Green
Post #1026374 29th Feb 2024 3:14pm
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Chicken Drumstick



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Retroanaconda wrote:
Nice pair. Can really see the lineage there

Funny. Iā€™d say the exact opposite. Not a similar line or common piece of shared design language at all!
Post #1026382 29th Feb 2024 4:24pm
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Retroanaconda



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Of course you would Rolling Eyes
Post #1026396 29th Feb 2024 6:44pm
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Mr Fox



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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 HT Keswick Green
The Drumstick joined the forum with a "Pretender" post and seems to only know one tune.

We get it, you don't like it.
Post #1026397 29th Feb 2024 6:54pm
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ecmgbob1



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Here's my contribution to New and Old. This was in for service at the same time I was picking up my plates the other day...

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Post #1026398 29th Feb 2024 7:20pm
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Hairy Dan



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United Kingdom 1998 Defender 90 V8 Petrol 50th Auto Chawton White
Here's my new & old, one 1998 and one 2022 although I'm sure somebody on here called us misguided yuppies for buying the newer one Rolling Eyes I have to say at 60+ I may be too old to be a misguided yuppy but I'm not sure on the qualifications needed to be a yuppy Confused Laughing



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Post #1026399 29th Feb 2024 7:34pm
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Post #1026402 29th Feb 2024 7:38pm
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WizzardPrang



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No pictures of my L663 and 200Tdi together - I sold it before my new one arrived. Sad

Here's my "new" with my mate's Td5.


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 Current vehicle: 2020 Defender 110S
Gone: Defender 90 HT 200Tdi, Discovery Sport, Freelander 2

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Post #1026420 29th Feb 2024 10:02pm
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Chicken Drumstick



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Mr Fox wrote:

We get it, you don't like it.

Well that is simply not true. But it doesn't make me blinkered either.


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Post #1026423 29th Feb 2024 10:35pm
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Chicken Drumstick



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Retroanaconda wrote:
Of course you would Rolling Eyes

ok, look at it rationally. Which bits of design language from the old model does the new one share?

Modular body - nope
flat sided panels - nope, they are all curvy on the new one
Flat wing tops - completely missing on the new one
Bumperless rear end - new one has a wrap around plastic rear bumper
stepped separate front bumper - nope, new ones has a HUGE plastic wrap around fair
Round headlights - Nope not got these either
Separate indicator/side/rear lights - integrated
Round indicator/side/rear lights - nope square and/or integrated
Body capping - nope
Pitched roof - curved roof
solid no spoke steel rims - D spoke rims
Flat windscreen - curved highly raked windscreen
Fold down windscreen - nope
Front vents and distinct bulkhead design - clamshell bonnet up to the windscreen, so no not present on the new one
Offset square rear numberplate - centrally mounted rectangle one


Apart from having 4 wheels and a 2 box design, there really is very little in common between the two designs. This does not mean a person likes or dislikes one or the other.....

The 'only' Land Rover designs traits are the rear mounted spare wheel, side opening tailgate and alpine lights. But they look more Discovery than Defender. In fact the Discovery also has wrap around bumpers, integrated and square lights, non round headlights, a bonnet bulge, no wing tops, a similarly raked windscreen and quite a few other design details that match up far closer with the new Defender. Even the steel wheel design from the D2 looks more akin to the current white 18" steelies.
Post #1026424 29th Feb 2024 10:52pm
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peanutbob



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Re: New and old
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I can see the logic. The new Defender is in front of an Indian takeaway as befitting the current owners of JLR, whereas the slightly tired classic Defender minus the rear mounted spare wheel is situated in front of a charity shop. šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚
Post #1026425 29th Feb 2024 10:54pm
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lightning



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l think it's a great photo. The old Defender is standing tall, having done 20 years of hard service already.

l love my Defender (the new one in the photo is mine) but will it still be going in 20 years? The old one will likely still look the same, unless the farmer who owns it washes it between now and then (unlikely)
Post #1026427 29th Feb 2024 11:26pm
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