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spudfan



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S Speed limit 180 kph (113 mph)
T Speed limit 190kph (118 mph)
My daughter's are T rated too. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai
Post #1009629 1st Oct 2023 3:38pm
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nicolas0505



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yes but I saw on the other post a member with a spare wheel classified as S. but hey S or T is not our least problem. Coming from at ko2 does it get that much in the mud?on snow ? lifetime ?
Post #1009632 1st Oct 2023 3:54pm
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spudfan



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My daughter used them in the snow and frost last winter and had no bother. There was no one else out as she had to attend to her pony. The tyres do have the accredited snowflake symble.

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 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai
Post #1009637 1st Oct 2023 4:27pm
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hornet



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I was able to test the tyres on fresh snow, packed snow and slush. Let's put it this way, my MT tyres were worse.

Braking: you have to ride very carefully, they are not pure winter tyres. On slush like soap, you hardly come to a stop while the ABS screams. Similar on packed snow, fresh snow is best. I would classify them as acceptable, when I had pure winter tyres it was a different story.

I'm still very dissatisfied with the braking performance on wet roads, you need to drive with great foresight.
Post #1016598 28th Nov 2023 7:53am
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geobloke



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It may be taken the wrong way but
Quote:
you need to drive with great foresight
is the number one thing you should be doing whilst driving Rolling Eyes

Isn't it?! Whistle

But, thanks for the review. I like the look of the Davanti and it is on my list of "what tyres to fit next" when the KO2s are reduced to unacceptable tread depth. It does add weight to the idea that multi-season tyres are an absolute compromise and unlikely to be excellent during any season.
Post #1016607 28th Nov 2023 10:41am
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spudfan



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Not a dedicated winter tyre but it seems to do the job for my daughter. I suppose no matter what tyres you have, you do need to engage your brain before engaging gears. The Davanti Terratoura are rated "C" for wet performance. The Michelin Latitude cross is a "B" . rating in the wet. So better in the wet than the Davantis but not as good in other conditions encountered by my daughter. Some Mud Terrains had a rating of "D" or "E" for wet performance so good at one thing but not as good at something else. My daughter does everything in her 90, so a compromise tyre was needed. Going to work, towing a horsebox, wet fields, mud and early morning snow when it arrives. No matter what I chose there would be trade offs. The snowflake symbol gives these tyres the edge in snow but they are not a dedicated winter tyre. This is her second set and she has reported no dramas with them. But other peoples experiences are always beneficial in helping others chose a tyre. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai
Post #1016617 28th Nov 2023 12:18pm
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hornet



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Of course you have to drive carefully, especially defenders. What I meant is that you have to consistently increase your "standard safety distance" in the wet.

I drive the 265 width and 30 psi front and rear. The tyre may behave (completely) differently in 235.
Post #1016622 28th Nov 2023 1:09pm
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spudfan



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I was not criticising your post. It is amazing when approaching a junction how many people will pull out in front of the Defender. Just no common sense. I always leave a safe distance between me and the car in front and frequently the car behind me will over take me and jump into the space! Then tail gate the car in front of it. I do not think people realise how long it takes to stop.
There are lots of tyres out there. Some better than others in certain areas so you just choose which ever suits your needs, adapt to it and accept it for what it is.
Really great fun reading manufacturers blurb on their tyres!! 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai
Post #1016624 28th Nov 2023 1:22pm
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kenzle8a



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geobloke wrote:
It may be taken the wrong way but
Quote:
you need to drive with great foresight
is the number one thing you should be doing whilst driving Rolling Eyes

Isn't it?! Whistle

But, thanks for the review. I like the look of the Davanti and it is on my list of "what tyres to fit next" when the KO2s are reduced to unacceptable tread depth. It does add weight to the idea that multi-season tyres are an absolute compromise and unlikely to be excellent during any season.


I never had an issue with KO2's in the wet, I did three Scottish winters on mine and one very icy drive to and from Mull last December, aside from the laws of physics and a Defender. They were actually more sure fotted than my L322 on Scorpion Zeros.

What would I go for this time on a Defender? Probably Cooper AT3's or Falken Wildpeak AT3's as a more road most of the time option.
Post #1016659 28th Nov 2023 9:47pm
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hornet



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spudfan wrote:
I was not criticising your post. [...]


I didn't feel that way either. That's why I really like this forum. Thumbs Up

I wonder how the classification of tyres into classes A/B/C/D etc. is done, hopefully there must be measurable criteria, I'll check. At first glance, only the BFG has a B in the wet.
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spudfan



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Got this.
" Braking distance variation between each wet weather tyre rating from A to E, equates to 3-6 metres. The maximum benefit is 18 metres shorter braking distance based on driving at 50mph in wet road conditions when choosing A-rated tyres over E-rated ones."
I think it is a three metre distance more for every letter you go down. "C" takes three metres extra over "B" and "D" three metres extra to stop over "C" etc. That is for tyres on the same car in the same conditions. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai
Post #1016704 29th Nov 2023 11:23am
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Bluest



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Java Black
The tyre labelling system is flawed in a number ways, not least that manufacturers self-certify their own products. The test is also conducted on a new tyre with full tread. It’s relatively easy to design a tyre that performs well in the wet when brand new. How the wet grip tails off as the tyre wears is one of the key differences between a good and a bad tyre and you can’t judge that from the label. There are moves to address that in future updates to the testing regime. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
Post #1016752 29th Nov 2023 7:48pm
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spudfan



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I always fit new tyres before the existing tyres hit the warning bars. I think any tyre suffers in the wet if it gets too low. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai
Post #1016757 29th Nov 2023 8:23pm
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Bluest



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Java Black
They do all suffer as they wear, but some significantly moreso than others 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
Post #1016779 29th Nov 2023 10:52pm
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spudfan



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I was in the tyre place getting the tyres changed on the Defender when a young lad and his mates arrived in a car on very low profile tyres to get them changed. The car was that low to the ground it had to be driven up on wooded blocks to get the jack underneath it!
A woman came in for two tyres. When asked for the key to the locking nut she had no idea what it was. After been told it was a "round yoke" she said she had cleaned out the car and found a "round yoke" but could not remember where it was put.
You see a lot getting four tyres on a Defender! 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai
Post #1016794 30th Nov 2023 1:30am
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