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Dicky1961



Member Since: 25 Mar 2022
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J77 wrote:
DRLs and side lights are the same thing on premium and matrix vehicles, only difference is if the rear lights are on or not



They aren’t the same for the reason forest172 said, but the whole point about this topic is you can’t manually select the sidelights and drive, you can only select them for parking.
Personally I want to be able to use my lights as and when I see the need to.
In certain lighting conditions ( not dark enough for headlights) the auto system puts the lights on and off “Willy Nilly” and for short sporadic periods.
There are times when I think I need sidelights on but the car doesn’t sense it needs any lights on, and times when the car puts the headlights on and I’m thinking why!!!
Auto lights are fine, but there’s times that I want to be in charge.
Sidelights have always been a basic function of a car.
Post #966026 26th Sep 2022 7:35pm
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blackwolf



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I'm so glad I'm not the only person who has zero tolerance for cars which refuse to allow legal and sensible use of sidelights. I'm also very intolerant of people who on learning this tell me "you shouldn't drive on sidelights alone"! There's a word for these people but this is a family friendly forum.

How can you remain legal when reversing during the hours of darkness in a modern vehicle with auto headlights? I've not yet met a car designed by someone smart enough to turn off the headlights when reverse gear is selected. How does a software engineer in some European factory know more about my driving conditions than I do. Ridiculous. How do these systems get through type approval?

Has the world gone entirely mad?
Post #966033 26th Sep 2022 8:47pm
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Defendit..



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So after almost 18 months, this problem isn't solved yet. See my earlier post.

https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic77970.html

In the CCF this should be changeable, who can take a look ?

By the way, for me sidelights are the American Orange and Red lights on the left and right side of the car. No Mud flaps for my 90.!
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Post #966225 29th Sep 2022 7:51am
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LR Nuts



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" ...... for me sidelights are the American Orange and Red lights on the left and right side of the car."

That may be your view, the Orange and Red lamps ...... are Marker Lamps, not side lamps.

I had them fitted on a Disco 300 I had years ago.

I also had the Orange and Red (front and rear side facing) lamps working on my Disco 2 Td5.

Further I added a Red (rear side facing) lamp to a FL2.



I believe side lamps, marker lamps and DRL are all getting confused, or integrated ??
Post #966235 29th Sep 2022 10:19am
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forest172



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I`ve just taken delivery of a D250 HT and you can turn the sidelights on and turn auto off. It then doesn't override your choice 2015 90SW Heritage MY16, 2016 90SW XS MY16 (123rd b4 the last build) & RRS HSE MY15
Post #967235 10th Oct 2022 12:23pm
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Dicky1961



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Finally got an answer from LR regarding my sidelights problem. Big Cry

“Sorry sir you cannot manually select the sidelights to come on and stay on, and It’s not something that can be configured either. You’ll just have to live with it”

Utter rubbish design. Evil or Very Mad
Post #977932 13th Jan 2023 10:47pm
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forest172



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My my22 90HT had a dealer update and now I can use the sidelights as you would expect 2015 90SW Heritage MY16, 2016 90SW XS MY16 (123rd b4 the last build) & RRS HSE MY15
Post #977933 13th Jan 2023 10:50pm
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Dicky1961



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Hi forest172, can you give me any guidance as to what the update involved with your car?
Does your car have the premium led’s the same as mine?
Seems ridiculous that one dealership can and another can’t solve the problem.

Cheers Dick
Post #977934 13th Jan 2023 10:59pm
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forest172



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Yeah I have signature DRL, not matrix. My car asked for an early oil change so I took it and they said it also needed an update. I’ve never mentioned the sidelight problem. But since it’s been in I can now turn the side lights on and drive just with those on. Before the car used to keep changing to lights on / DRLs on if I turned the sidelights on manually. Something definitely different 2015 90SW Heritage MY16, 2016 90SW XS MY16 (123rd b4 the last build) & RRS HSE MY15
Post #977935 13th Jan 2023 11:03pm
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Dicky1961



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Thanks for that. I’ll have to try again next time I’m in the service department. Thumbs Up
Post #977942 14th Jan 2023 12:11am
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steam_simon



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blackwolf wrote:
I'm so glad I'm not the only person who has zero tolerance for cars which refuse to allow legal and sensible use of sidelights. I'm also very intolerant of people who on learning this tell me "you shouldn't drive on sidelights alone"! There's a word for these people but this is a family friendly forum.

How can you remain legal when reversing during the hours of darkness in a modern vehicle with auto headlights? I've not yet met a car designed by someone smart enough to turn off the headlights when reverse gear is selected. How does a software engineer in some European factory know more about my driving conditions than I do. Ridiculous. How do these systems get through type approval?

Has the world gone entirely mad?


Spot on, and yes.
Post #978256 15th Jan 2023 10:04pm
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