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Chugga90



Member Since: 07 Sep 2014
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Have they changed the towing rules for Defenders?
While travelling south on M40 just after mid day, today.
In the third lane, with nothing in middle lane. Newish Defender 110, with a private plate. Towing a tipping ifor Williams trailer. Passed me doing around 80mph in the third lane.
I was in lane one doing around 56mph.
For as far as I could see it, it stayed out there doing that speed.
Whilst it was doing this just fine, as far as I know neither things would be acceptable according to the plod? Towing in the third lane appears to be the new normal with anything, from what I have seen?
Post #958834 19th Jul 2022 1:41pm
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discomog



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If the motorway has three lanes or more you are not permitted to tow in the outside lane. Speed limit is 60 mph. You're dead right - he's asking for a blue flashing light. Defender 90XS SW
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Post #958837 19th Jul 2022 1:51pm
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lightning



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Driver likely to be one of the TrueTossers who sit in the outside lane when there's nothing in the middle (or even inside) lane.

A bit slow for one of these types though, it's usually over 100mph
Post #958885 19th Jul 2022 6:23pm
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blackwolf



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I think you'll find that the key to this is that the driver is an unthinking antisocial moron, rather than that he (or less probably she) is driving a Defender.

There are no towing rules for morons.
Post #958889 19th Jul 2022 6:31pm
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Leamreject



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Not sure the traffic police would target this sort of behaviour, it’s easier and less hassle to catch a speeder Whistle Ride like you stole it!!
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Post #958912 19th Jul 2022 8:27pm
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Nuclear Nick



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There's absolutely no doubt whatsoever if a traffic cop saw this they would prosecute. If they were in an unmarked car and were passed by this nutter they'd be straight on the blue's and two's.
Post #958940 20th Jul 2022 7:22am
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lightning



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l would love to understand why they do it, is it a kind on "l am here and l own the road" mentality or some sort of territorial thing l wonder.

Or it might just be because it's against the rules, like tossing your fast food wrappers out of the car windows.


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Post #958990 20th Jul 2022 2:39pm
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Mdm



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its got worse since they starting giving everybody a tow license with their morning coffee.
no training needed just jump in drive.

my fave is the bluetooth straps that folk use. yes yes the weight of the digger will hold it to the trailer officer.[/quote]
Post #958994 20th Jul 2022 2:52pm
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mse



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Yes since the towing test was removed it’s got worse. Totally wrong move Mike
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RobKeay



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Anyone passing their test before 1997 didn’t have any training. Do we know this person was under 42?

It should have remained but grandadfather removed as well.
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90 Dreamer



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And you automatically think that the people who had been towing for years hadn't learned anything in all of that time.....??

I have 'grandfather rights' but can guarantee I take things far more seriously than some of the feckwits I have seen, and just like most modern driving then general standards are far worse than they have ever been mainly because they are too busy relying on the new fangled Censored tech whilst watching Netflix on their ginormous dash screen.......


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I’ve also noticed more of this since the de-restriction on B+E requirement Shocked

In my boring world stuck in the normal lane at 51mph my opinion is “let the lads crack on” when the elephants are racing I’d be probably doing the same with the the full fat and the Ifor. Formerly mao99999
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Post #959412 24th Jul 2022 8:52pm
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RobKeay



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That maybe the case. But my mother would have been able to drive with a trailer on and hasn’t driven a car since 1996.

Passing my test in 1998, there was no Netflix’s, traction control and I didn’t have a mobile phone
Post #959415 24th Jul 2022 8:56pm
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Chugga90



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I don’t actually think the change of rules with B+E have had an impact on the driving standard so soon.
It’s been abysmal for a good while before the rules change.
I passed by test in 1989, so have never had formal training for trailer use. For the last twenty years I have used various trailers for my work tasks.
One interesting thing I regularly see on the M40, in either direction. Usually high spec/performance vehicles, cleaned up nicely, private plates, Asian drivers. Lines of the cars flying up the motorway faster than the limit, in whatever lane is clear, ducking and weaving.
Will stay over in the loser lane going steady!
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RobKeay



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I am still bitter my age meant I had to take tests people a few months older didn’t have to take.

I don’t feel the removal has reduced the driving standard. There will always be good and bad drivers. Having done the tests driving at 51 on a motorway I suspect would result in a fail or minor point. I failed my first for going too slow.
Post #959420 24th Jul 2022 10:06pm
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