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isv



Member Since: 14 Feb 2010
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Should I buy 2.4 110 XS now or wait for 2.2 in December?
I'm coming back to LR and have decided to buy a new 110 XS Utility. Several dealers have offered me new 2011 MY 2.4 pumas for September delivery (choice seems to be Orkney Grey, Buckingham Blue or that new Black) whilst I've also been offered build slots for the new 2.2 engine / 2012 MY which would see me taking delivery from Nov/Dec onwards.

Is there a compelling argument in favour of waiting for the 2.2 and 2012 MY spec? Anyone know if anything else has changed apart from the engine (bumpers?) and, importantly, does anyone have any information on any changes to fuel consumption for the 2.2?
Post #84179 13th Aug 2011 1:46pm
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Lookers Park Royal



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The figures so far from Land Rover are identical performance and fuel economy, the speed limit is increased to 90mph though.

On the XS there are very minor detail changes to the seat stitch pattern and the rear door lock, the other models do get a few adjustments.


Jeremy
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Higgers



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When are they actually going to release firm details?
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The target figures are released and all dealers should have them, the actual final figures (which I expect to be the same!) are due about now.

We will post them once they confirm the final figures.

All other details are confirmed and if you drop me an email jeremyjackson@lookers.co.uk I can through with you in more detail Thumbs Up

Jeremy
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Post #84318 14th Aug 2011 10:05am
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I would go for the 2.4 if you can get it Thumbs Up
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Zagato wrote:
I would go for the 2.4 if you can get it Thumbs Up


yeah, hurry and get the 2.4, the 2.2 comes with that pos DPF --
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Problem will be the DPF and its regeneration process, Twisted Evil

If the Active Regeneration cycle does not complete, you will get a amber warning light to show that the DPF is partially blocked. When that come on you have to start a complete regeneration by driving for 15 minutes or so at speeds greater than 40mph. You try and do that in a town centre, or while off road !!!!

If you can not do 15 minutes at 40 a red warning light will appear, then its needs to see a dealer,

Heard a few 4.4 TDV8 Range Rovers have already been having some similar issues ?? California F1, 75th 110 "Kermit", 50th Ann V8, 90 V8 Hybrid, 55 Series 1

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Post #84404 14th Aug 2011 9:57pm
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warren



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That DPF sounds like it's going to be a right pain in the arse.

There's plenty of farmers in the middle of North Yorkshire who's Defenders spend all their life driving round country roads that never go above 40!

Imagine the DPF deciding it wasn't regenerated in the middle of a rain forest expedition... Rolling Eyes
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There must be a way to disable the DPF I would have thought? we have plenty of RRs over here in Jersey and we have a max speed limit of 40mph
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Big trouble with regeneration of filters were related to the 2.2l Freelander, but thats the PGA engine. My guess is that Ford did a better job on that issue, as ALL their Transits now get the 2.2l ... And even if, who cares of red lights being a famer or in the middle of the rainforrest? -> simply disable the warning lamp. Also, if you read carefully at LR it says there is a DPF option for the EU5 countries, which might mean RoW is free of that. Never forget: cars have owner, Landrover have field service personnel.
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If you order from now on you will get a 2.2 no 2.4's are being produced from Aug 1st orders onwards If everything is under control you are not going fast enough.

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DPF wont be a massive issue i suspect no more so than electronics on defenders was! Mike
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mse wrote:
DPF wont be a massive issue i suspect no more so than electronics on defenders was!


I beg to differ. LR South Africa is trying to get the 2.2L without the DPF because 50ppm diesel is only available in towns here. If you go to Namibia, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Zambia, etc, the sulphur content can be as high as 3000ppm, not to mention you cannot be sure of the water and/or paraffin content.

In these cases the DPF will become clogged in very little time.

Distance travelled also makes a huge difference. LRSA is having a major headaches with the Jag 2.2D which is owned mostly by doctors - they drive 5-10min to their offices and bucketloads of warranty claims on the DPF. --
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Naks wrote:
mse wrote:
DPF wont be a massive issue i suspect no more so than electronics on defenders was!


I beg to differ. LR South Africa is trying to get the 2.2L without the DPF because 50ppm diesel is only available in towns here. If you go to Namibia, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Zambia, etc, the sulphur content can be as high as 3000ppm, not to mention you cannot be sure of the water and/or paraffin content.

In these cases the DPF will become clogged in very little time.

Distance travelled also makes a huge difference. LRSA is having a major headaches with the Jag 2.2D which is owned mostly by doctors - they drive 5-10min to their offices and bucketloads of warranty claims on the DPF.


I know about africa's request and some other rest of world spec - I also know the work 2.2 transit van has it and only ever does deliveries short journeys etc and it has never come on according to the drivers Mike
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