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Supacat



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I guess they do have their fingers in a few pies...
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What puddle?



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Tim in Scotland wrote:
Speculation this morning on R4’s Today program that Octopus could be about to take over Bulb too…….



Won't have anything to do with Octopus - very woke company who supported BLM.
https://octopus.energy/blog/black-lives-matter/
We're all against racism! But we want an energy company to just supply energy, not get mixed up in left-wing politics. Now left.
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3 more gone this afternoon Enstroga, Igloo Energy and Symbio Energy 
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Yep we’re affected now as was with Igloo…..
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I've just won a major case against Symbio, and they have had to compensate me, and award me punitive damages - not through the courts, though they did try that (but had to drop the case), but through the Energy Ombudsman. They only awarded me my money this morning, so I hope it goes through! Now left.
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Supacat



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I wish the two owners were personally liable for the £600k left owing...

"Symbio Energy: Collapsing company’s crypto venture

The founders of an energy company that owed the regulator hundreds of thousands of pounds appear to have used the company Twitter account to promote a new cryptocurrency venture as their firm crumbled.

Symbio Energy, which had 48,000 customers, went into administration on Wednesday. It had received a final warning from Ofgem, the regulator, over £600,000 it owed in two mandatory payments for government renewables schemes.

The Watford-based company, founded in March 2019, had faced complaints about poor customer service and was consistently placed close to the bottom of rankings.

As the company was close to collapse a series of articles about investing in cryptocurrency were posted on its Twitter thread, including one that explicitly promoted a crypto trading company founded by Symbio’s owners Nikunj Vyas, 34, and Vinesh Patel, 30.

Companies House records show that the pair set up Carbonyte in September last year. The business claims to let customers manage unregulated investment through a “secured hard wallet” as well as helping people to earn quick money by mining the digital currency."

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/symbio-...-mjhl758ng
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SN wrote:
The green angle is energy is all b*ll*cks any way - there is only one National Grid and one Gas Distribution network - most everyone's property is connected these single networks so they all get the same non-green mix.


Yep that's pretty much it. The leccy is generated in wind farms, solar, coal, gas, nuke etc, all goes into the grid, then gets sent to the distribution network and into your house. It is not possible for your leccy to be "green" and your neighbours not, the electrons cannot be traced back.

When it comes to billing then yes I'm sure some companies will invest in green ventures of whatever type but it's wrong to claim their electricity is green and others not, it just doesn't work like that unless you have some kind of independent supply. Even with the rise of small generators (eg solar farms) supplying the distribution network you still can't trace your electrons back to source unless you are using a closed off supply.

I can imagine in the future a much more green system of small localised networks generated by wind or solar to supply a village, but you lose the faults response capacity then, don't think people would put up with long term power cuts. 2011 110 USW
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Supacat



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Just reading another 4 have thrown in the towel today, bringing the total to 19 energy suppliers havjng collapsed since the start of August.

The most surprising thing was how few customers they had:

"Omni Energy supplies around 6,000 domestic pre-payment customers
MA Energy supplies around 300 non-domestic customers
Zebra Power Limited supplies around 14,800 domestic customers
Ampoweruk Ltd supplies around 600 domestic customers, and around 2000 non-domestic customers."
https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/...iness-live

Struggling to see how they could have been viable businesses even before the issue with huge increases in wholesale prices.
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Data harvesting then selling that to other business’s as well as selling advertising space on their websites and marketing material.
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Oh great, and I was a Zebra Power customer. Crying or Very sad
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Supacat



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Who's with any of these:

Orbit Energy
Simply Your Energy
Delta Gas and Power
Social Energy Supply
Whoop Energy

"The energy regulator has threatened to strip five suppliers of their licences after they failed to hand over more than £500,000 collected from customers’ bills to help pay for a renewable energy support scheme."

"The suppliers all missed a payment deadline of 10 November and if they fail to comply with the latest order from Ofgem “they could end up having their licences revoked or face a financial penalty”, the regulator said.

A struggle to meet industry payment obligations is often viewed by industry experts as an early sign of financial distress, which could ultimately lead a company to collapsing out of the market."

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/...heme-ofgem
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Anyone here with Neon Reef?

Jim
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Supacat



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They appear to be struggling too, late with their annual FiT payment & now stopped from taking on new customers:

"Neon Reef has failed to make its FIT Year 11 Annual Levelisation Payment of £37,350.76 by the deadline of 17 September 2021.

The provisional order requires Neon Reef to pay the outstanding amount forthwith."

"On 24 September 2021, the Authority made a Revocation Order in accordance with section 25(7)(c) of the Electricity Act 1989. The Authority decided that the terms of the provisional order were no longer requisite for the purpose of ensuring Neon Reef’s compliance, as Neon Reef paid the outstanding sum on 22 September 2021."
https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/publications/neon...onal-order

"For both Neon Reef and Orbit Energy, they have been removed from the BSC for failing to sufficiently reduce their Credit Cover Percentage. They follow a number of companies who have defaulted out of the system – which means that they cannot register new customers – with the majority failing shortly after."
https://www.current-news.co.uk/news/five-s...lexons-bsc
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"Neon Reef Limited and Social Energy Supply Ltd, have today announced they are ceasing to trade. Neon Reef Limited supplies around 30,000 domestic electricity customers, and Social Energy Supply Ltd supplies around 5,500 domestic customers."

https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/publications/ofge...supply-ltd
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