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| donmacn Member Since: 07 Nov 2017 Location: Nth Scotland Posts: 1829  |
That pink relay is the 'dim dip' relay - a useless and obsolete thing LR fitted to cars of a certain vintage. Something to do with lighting regs at the time.
I forget the age of your car, but my '94 had it. If you Google or search here there will be threads showing how to disable it. I' ve done it, but so long ago I can't remember the details. So I can't remember if the relay remained in place, but I think you remove it and just put a small 'jumper' wire across two of the terminals in the base. There's also a resistor under the top of the drivers wing that needs disconnected. Have a look at 'dim dip' though - I think that's where your issue is. Donald 1994 Defender 300Tdi 110 SW - owned since 2002 - 230k miles and going strong (The 'rolling restoration' or tinkering thread: http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic58538.html ) 2000 Range Rover P38 4.0L V8 in the past.. RR classic - fitted with 200Tdi 1984 RR classic - V8 with ZF auto box 1993 Discovery 300Tdi not to mention the minis and the Type 2 VW camper... |
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10th Sep 2021 10:37am |
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| karlp606 Member Since: 19 Aug 2021 Location: Hull Posts: 295  
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Thanks Donald - mines a 97 90' County.
I've done a few searches on the dim dip and seems to suggest the relay issue, as everything else looks good fuses, bulbs, contact switch on the stalk etc :/ Hate taking the binnacle out lol Always ends up in a lot of swearing! |
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10th Sep 2021 10:58am |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3188  
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The grandfather of DRLs
https://www.lrworkshop.com/parts/YWZ10003L There is also a link how to bypass. On my MY88 I have the older pulse width modulator. I ran with it disconnected for many many years. But since I am restoring it, I thought I would fix it and installed better current handling transistors inside. I think it looks cool. But the pink relay use different principle, so I am not helping you. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing 2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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10th Sep 2021 12:22pm |
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| karlp606 Member Since: 19 Aug 2021 Location: Hull Posts: 295
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So turns out to be the the main headlight stalk with the contact as its melted, it looks as thought the smaller stalk just sends the feed to the bigger stalk (fog/horn stalk) which then turns the dipped beam on if the contact is working mine has slight play in it so the dipped beams are working. So looks like a new stalk for me.
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10th Sep 2021 2:36pm |
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| karlp606 Member Since: 19 Aug 2021 Location: Hull Posts: 295
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PS My indicators dont cancel automatically after turning, Is this normal lol?
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10th Sep 2021 3:06pm |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3188
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No, that is not normal. On the column there is a bluish thing that locks to the steering (2 prongs on the steering wheel). Ensure that those 2 prongs connect well onto the respective slots in that bluish thing. But probably the steering will become tight if not. Then when that bluish thing rotates with the steering wheel, it pushes a lever that cancels the indicator. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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10th Sep 2021 3:21pm |
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| karlp606 Member Since: 19 Aug 2021 Location: Hull Posts: 295
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Great thanks
Just seen this https://www.brit-car.co.uk/product.php/884...ng_def__ma Think Im missing this :/ |
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10th Sep 2021 3:24pm |
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| karlp606 Member Since: 19 Aug 2021 Location: Hull Posts: 295
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Looks like I’m missing the plastic 2 prong cancelling ring that sits in the blue indicator ring  .
 Click image to enlarge I’ve seen some plastic ones on eBay but is there a official LR metal ring? Would rather something more sturdy. |
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11th Sep 2021 10:23am |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3188
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To my knowledge, the 2 prongs are part of the steering wheels on the original Landrover steering wheels (metal prongs covered in plastic), so doubt if there is anything that could be genuine, unless you get a complete steering wheel. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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11th Sep 2021 10:29am |
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| Pacha Member Since: 23 Feb 2020 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 771 
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The genuine LR one is plastic. Rgds. Chris |
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11th Sep 2021 11:35am |
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| donmacn Member Since: 07 Nov 2017 Location: Nth Scotland Posts: 1829 |
One of the problems with the LR headligt wiring is that the full current for the lamps goes through the switch on the column. Eventually they will melt. To be sure, I'm talking about the short switch that turns the sidelights and dipped beam on.
There's a 'headlight loom' modification you can get which a) takes the power away from the switch and b) powers the lights directly from the back of the alternator which means you get full voltage at the lamps = brighter lights! I'd recommend this along with a new switch. It's an easy enough install to do. On the wheel stalks. Aftermarket wheels/bosses might not have the prongs. When I fitted my Optimill boss it came with two roll pins which could be adjusted to properly engage with the indicator cancelling ring. From your pic it looks like these are mising. Perhaps a different pic would show the holes are there and you could fit roll pins or something similar? Dinnu is right, these prongs are part of the standard wheel. The indicator/horn/dip stalk can definitely wear out too though, so that might also be an issue you have. Donald 1994 Defender 300Tdi 110 SW - owned since 2002 - 230k miles and going strong (The 'rolling restoration' or tinkering thread: http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic58538.html ) 2000 Range Rover P38 4.0L V8 in the past.. RR classic - fitted with 200Tdi 1984 RR classic - V8 with ZF auto box 1993 Discovery 300Tdi not to mention the minis and the Type 2 VW camper... |
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11th Sep 2021 11:40am |
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| karlp606 Member Since: 19 Aug 2021 Location: Hull Posts: 295
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I’ve got a mountney steering wheel with a mountney boss on and there’s a good inch gap between the boss and the blue circle thing, I’ll get the indicator cancelling ring ordered but will it reach between the boss and the blue circle :/
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11th Sep 2021 3:50pm |
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| jeffersj Member Since: 23 Jan 2015 Location: Near Preston Posts: 431 
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On the subject of the relay, you can get a new pink relay which solves the problem (bypass) if you do not want to mess about with bits of wire. The stalks need replacing regularly, cheap enough from JGS. Jeff
Ex 1968 Series 2A Ex 90 TD5 Ex D3 Ex D4 |
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11th Sep 2021 4:53pm |
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| karlp606 Member Since: 19 Aug 2021 Location: Hull Posts: 295
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Yeh thanks matey my relay has already been swapped out, I can see the little plastic surround where the headlight main beam is has started to melt away so looks like a bee headlight/indicator stalk to fix this problem
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11th Sep 2021 5:02pm |
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