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| kenzle8a Member Since: 12 Feb 2020 Location: None Posts: 1074  
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Why not one of the older but easier to maintain Range Rovers? They cost so little now you could have three or four of them for the cost of a new Def. My chums got a 2010 TDV8 that they love as it balances next to his 86’ 110 v8. It cost him all of 8k to buy and in the years has probably cost about 2k to run including a new set of 22 tyres.
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8th Sep 2021 10:41am |
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| AMBxx Member Since: 24 Jul 2016 Location: York Posts: 985  
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If you've lost confidence in the vehicle, get rid. You'll feel much better.
Then it's a case of waiting for the Grenadier, so buy a Jimny for fun while waiting. |
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8th Sep 2021 10:45am |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11240 
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I guess it's only a decision that you can make, Tim, but here's a few thoughts for you:
If all other things were equal and you could easily upgrade to a later model for little cost then that would seem to be a good thing. Would you have done all of the trips that you've made over the last year in your 90 if that was your only Land Rover and would you have enjoyed them in the same way? I get the impression from reading your posts that you've travelled some fair distances to some of the events? Would you be content with a shopping trolley type car? I ask as I've gone down this route a few times over the years but always returned to a LR as my daily driver through boredom! Do you need the money that you'd realise from cashing in? I'm obviously not expecting an answer to that but part of me is always of the mind that you can't take it with you. I hope that helps in some way. I'll confess though, that's easy to rationalise for somebody else whilst I'm repeatedly guilty of irrational behaviour when it comes to buying and selling my own cars  Darren
110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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8th Sep 2021 11:04am |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3750
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I haven’t lost confidence in it just fed up with a 15 month old car needing so many visits to the workshop. When it’s working as it should it’s brilliant, but it’s being spoiled by stupid things.
All will depend on what I’m offered when I collect the car after they’ve ripped it bits once again next week! I might even have to wash it and vacuum out the interior before it goes in so it at least looks like it’s been looked after! It goes to the detailers who did the ceramic and PPF once a month for a £20 wash down whether it needs it or not - usually it needs it but it had its last monthly wash only 2 weeks ago……… did a very dusty off-road drive on Sunday last and today it’s done a 200 mile round trip out to a Marina south of Oban and it;s front grille and windscreen are covered in dead flies and bugs. Forecast for rain tomorrow so that will get a lot of dirty stuff off it! Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come 2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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8th Sep 2021 6:58pm |
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| dorsetsmith Member Since: 30 Oct 2011 Location: South West Posts: 4554 |
Time for lemon law LR supply you with replacement car and that one sent to the scrap hep
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8th Sep 2021 7:50pm |
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| shropshiredefender Member Since: 05 Jun 2017 Location: Shropshire Posts: 832  
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The real question, I think, is - has the build quality improved since the early vehicles? Just because you're offended doesn't mean you're right. |
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8th Sep 2021 9:31pm |
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| J77 Member Since: 04 Nov 2019 Location: Fife Posts: 3246 
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I think they have, mine has the odd creak but nothing major, the 20MY 110 i test drove last August was plagued with faults.
Must admit though I’m tempted, WBAC now offering £51,585 for a vehicle that was £48,565 inc options. It’s went up £4.5k in a week. I would just end up ordering a 90HT. 24MY 90 D250 HSE, Tasman Blue |
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8th Sep 2021 11:05pm |
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| lohr500 Member Since: 14 Sep 2014 Location: Skipton Posts: 1284 
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I think occasionally you just get a bad vehicle.
It certainly happened to me with my 2018 Jeep Wrangler 2.2 Rubicon. I bought it as a demonstrator with just over 2000 miles on it. I had no end of issues with repeated visits to two different Jeep dealers to try and get it sorted. But frankly speaking, both were hopeless and couldn't seem to fix it. It spent over 10 weeks in dealerships during my ownership and was recovered twice on a car transporter within the space of two weeks at one point. This, coupled with a "couldn't care less" attitude from Jeep UK, made me decide to get rid. Such a shame as it was my ideal vehicle and I bought it when I retired with the intention of it being a keeper. But the constant worry about what was going to go wrong next and the fact that the warranty was due to expire this month meant it had to go. Having lost confidence in it and experiencing the appalling service from the Jeep network, it put me off buying another one. I got an amazing trade in price from Mitsubishi online, meaning I only lost £2k over the 2 1/2 years I owned it. WBAC was offering £6.5k less than Mitsubishi at the time I made the decision. Mitsubishi were also off loading their own low mileage demo fleet as they are pulling out of new car sales in the UK. I was able to pick up a 6 month old Outlander PHEV Dynamic for £26k, which had a list price of £39k new. Doing a deal was a no brainer. Sure the Outlander is no off roader, but I mainly need the 4wd for winter time. Most of our journeys now are less than 25 miles, so I am enjoying running around on electricity only at less than £1 for a full charge to get circa 25 to 28 mile range. The fuel tank holds 45 litres and so far, with 1000 miles covered, I still have 3/4 of a tank  Road tax is £145 p.a. vs the Wrangler's higher rate and a 3 year service pack cost me £575.
As/when/if classic Series LR prices start to fall, I will look around for one as a project because LR is in my blood and I miss having a proper 4x4 to play with. |
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9th Sep 2021 8:32am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16870 
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Bearing in mind the legendary build quality of the classic Defender, especially in its twilight years, that is an appalling indictment of Landrover and the ND. 
Whilst I hope that build quality has now improved, there is really no excuse. |
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9th Sep 2021 8:32am |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3750
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Yesterday I did a 200 mile round trip home to Croabh Haven Marina on the west coast just south of Oban to take a friend to collect his car he had left there when he sailed his boat back from there to the Clyde. This guy is used to owning some very nice company cars as the MD of an international Loss Adjusting company and he loved the trip in the Defender. The car behaved impeccably on the run via Inveraray and Lochgilphead so mostly fast A roads but contaminated with motorhomes and artic trucks hauling livestock trailers to market and loads and loads of roadworks. Aircon blasting out at setting 18 sunroof also open while trundling along at 55 in lines of traffic.
Fuel consumption is amazing as this is a point and squirt bit of road to overtake you have to grasp the opportunities and go flat out for it and very uphill and down dale. This is the D240 4 cylinder diesel, not a 6 pot diesel. Wish I had waited to top up with diesel until Arrochar / Inveraray or Lochgilphead as it was 4p a litre cheaper up there than in Ballach or Helensburgh and more like what I pay in Stirling! BTW I never use the ECO setting these days as it doesn’t seem to make any difference at all to fuel consumption, but it does blunt the performance. Going  Click image to enlarge Returning via the west side of Loch Lomond - was surprised how much traffic there was after passing the road works for the Rest and Be Thankfull and on the lochside which was crawling at no more than 50 on a really good A road Click image to enlarge Even in 2.0l engine form this is a great road tripping car aside from being extremely capable when you venture off the tar. And why I like it more than either of the 2 L322 RR’s or any of the 3 RRS’s I’ve owned. It is fantastically comfortable on a longer trip and the little 2ltr just settles into the run and purrs along and while you would think it might struggle uphill withb2.2t to haul along it doesn’t even hunt for gears going up the long climb of the Rest it stayed in 8th gear at 55 as far as the traffic lights on the road works a couple of miles up the climb. It’s why it will be really difficult to move on from, it just does everything so well apart from all the rattles when the road surface gets a bit broken up, you don’t feel that but all rattles sure do make the rough surfaces known as they get woken up! Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come 2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! Last edited by Tim in Scotland on 9th Sep 2021 9:50am. Edited 1 time in total |
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9th Sep 2021 9:00am |
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| SN Member Since: 30 Jun 2007 Location: SK6 Posts: 729 |
I think you just answered your own question with that last post
After nine days I'm missing mine like mad at the moment - the black ugly duckling (incidentally also with a D240 engine) is turning me off so much I went out in my wife's dependable Vauxhall Mokka instead! Steve N | 21MY Defender | 08MY Discovery 3 (history) | 06MY Discovery 3 (ancient history) |
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9th Sep 2021 9:41am |
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| J77 Member Since: 04 Nov 2019 Location: Fife Posts: 3246
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Despite their flaws the reason I don’t move brands is Land Rovers just tick all the boxes for me. My 90 is probably the best out of the 11 I’ve owned, it was my D3, so it’s taken a while to beat it.
As SN says, I think you’ve found your answer. 24MY 90 D250 HSE, Tasman Blue |
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9th Sep 2021 11:06am |
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| Gareth Member Since: 12 Dec 2011 Location: Bramhall Posts: 1038 
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Tim, I agree. You have a great car. The only thing you are missing is 2 cylinders! Mine has been remarkably good. No issues that have got me hightailing to the dealer, other than a small recall which doesn’t count as a bad thing in my book.
If I were in your shoes, id be worried about the delivery time on a new one, and possible quality or equipment issues due to the  up world parts supply. So, I would consider taking advantage of the current high value of second hand trade in. I would then slum it for a while (how long- nobody knows) until things recover enough to get a new one.
Is a few grand made on your car now worth all this hassle? Other side of my thoughts would be to enjoy it and wait until things get better, get your monies worth out of it, and then buy a new one further down the line. Mine is now returning decent mpg, I think it was very tight from new. Did a trip to Leeds this week and got 37 mpg without trying. D300. 2021 Defender 110 X-Dynamic HSE D300 MHEV 1966 S2a 109 aka Betsy 1968 S2a 88 aka Bob 2014 Jaaaag F Type 3.0 Supercharged. |
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9th Sep 2021 12:13pm |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3750
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Gareth I agree about maybe hanging on until supply issues cease, the only option I would like on mine is the rear locking diff but to date I haven’t really missed out by not having it and looking at what the dealer group I buy from has in stock I don’t see anything on their lists with that option. If I went to a 90 then it would have to have the air suspension and the rear diff and again I haven’t seen any new dealer stock with those options. I still have 15 months warranty left so hopefully everything will be resolved by then.
Having 2 less cylinders , 9bhp less and 100Nm of torque less hasn’t actually made the car less drivable - nice to have but the D240 copes really well and is still very quiet unless you really start to welly it. I usually keep cars 3-years (21 in the case of my 90!) before changing but to change for similar (ie XS) spec doesn’t appeal and going for an X Dynamic SE with better colour choice and the options I want is going to be much more than the dealership will give me as a valuation I suspect (and they don’t have any X Dynamic 110’s or 90’s on site to look at). The salesman I deal with was pretty honest about ordering for a 2023 model saying that they have no idea what equipment or colour changes let alone prices this far in advance. Looks like I’ll just keep going and put up with unsecured/ recurring rattles and all too frequent visits to the work shop because I really do like this car. I also own this car so changing early won’t incur any penalties other than (what might be negative) depreciation if I sell early. Regarding my mpg figures - bear in mind I’m running on the more aggressive AT’s, Duratracs, rather than the All season Pirelli’s the car came on. Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come 2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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9th Sep 2021 12:55pm |
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