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Tim in Scotland

Member Since: 23 May 2007
Location: The Land that time forgot
Posts: 3750

It has but it’s a b*gg*r to get it back down the tube as it’s soooooo long and bendy

BTW make sure you put it back in the right way around - there is a tiny locking notch on the yellow bit on mine that fits into a grove at the top of the tube. Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed!

Last edited by Tim in Scotland on 17th Mar 2021 1:18pm. Edited 1 time in total

17th Mar 2021 1:17pm

DSL

Member Since: 20 Aug 2007
Location: Wandering the wasteland.
Posts: 837

Does the 2.0l lump have a dipstick? ISTR on the Wolverhampton factory tour some of us did it was a case or “why would you want a dipstick, sir?”. They must have relented somewhere.

17th Mar 2021 1:17pm

Tim in Scotland

Member Since: 23 May 2007
Location: The Land that time forgot
Posts: 3750

Yes and is very very long and bendy - two reasons I think....
A) it’s easier/quicker for the service teams to use a vacuum sucker down the dipstick tube at oil change time but doesn’t drain any crap out of the sump.....
B) if my last RRS was anything to go by the electronic one would trow up “Warning: lost communication with oil level sensor”
On longer trips - only way to cancel it was to pull over stop and restart the engine and it would clear and not return. Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed!

Last edited by Tim in Scotland on 17th Mar 2021 1:22pm. Edited 2 times in total

17th Mar 2021 1:18pm

SN

Member Since: 30 Jun 2007
Location: SK6
Posts: 729

Careful you don't slip - rubber soled shoes, and a hi-vis jacket in case another member of your family bumps into you whilst you're performing the maintenance action. And have you read the manual? ANd ticked a box somewhere to confirm you've read the manual? And had someone else witness that you ticked the box to confirm you read the manual?

And make sure you use a clean rag to wipe the stick, wouldn't want any chance of contaminating the engine oil with any grub on the rag getting transfered on to the dipstick

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17th Mar 2021 1:21pm

Gareth

Member Since: 12 Dec 2011
Location: Bramhall
Posts: 1038

I’ll try not to fall off the ladder too! That front is very high! 2021 Defender 110 X-Dynamic HSE D300 MHEV
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17th Mar 2021 1:46pm

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS DCPU Keswick Green

SN wrote:
Supacat wrote:
SN wrote:
don't fall into the trap of tarring all D250's with the same brush - this is one car.

To quote others "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence".

Unless you know the details of the failure on this engine which make it a unique event; or indeed if that is an accurate diagnosis, then it's not possible to say one way or the other.

Given the nature of mass production, quality standards, singular techniques, automated and calibrated assembly sequences, it may well be harder to introduce a unique fault, rather than a fault traced to a batch of components, faulty torque gun, out of alignment sensor, etc, which would lead to a number of common errors across a range of assembled vehicles.

So we assume the worst on every last potential issue - do you work in Health and Safety by any chance?
Or are you just an internet troll who takes issue with everything?

It seems a far more pragmatic stance than the one you appear to be taking; and more balanced, in that it allows you your view without an intolerant outburst.

You appear to be injecting the very thing you wanted lifting in another thread?

SN wrote:
the main suggestion was lifting the poisoness section away

17th Mar 2021 5:11pm

AndrewS

Member Since: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Hereford
Posts: 3707

2013 Defender 130 Puma 2.2 SW Rimini Red

Back to the original post. I wonder if perhaps the vehicle could have been 'abused'. Maybe the vehicle hit a rock hard whilst off roading? Could have damaged the sump? Split the sump? Loss of engine oil? 130's have feeling's as well you know

Last edited by AndrewS on 18th Mar 2021 8:05pm. Edited 1 time in total

18th Mar 2021 2:19pm

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

Yep all possible.

Sometimes people can be economic with the truth on social media, but on the face of what's he said, LR have inspected it, said it needed a new engine and offered him the opportunity to "reject" it:

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So it seems to fall outside operator error?

18th Mar 2021 7:27pm

Digger2000

Member Since: 19 Sep 2020
Location: Newcastle
Posts: 590

I would reject the vehicle and order a new one.

18th Mar 2021 7:32pm

Zed

Member Since: 07 Oct 2017
Location: In the woods
Posts: 3018

2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Santorini Black

I would reject it and buy German. WARNING.
This post may contain sarcasm.

18th Mar 2021 7:49pm

mse

Member Since: 06 Apr 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 5024

2016 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Scotia Grey

Great British support there

Mike

19th Mar 2021 1:31am

Tim in Scotland

Member Since: 23 May 2007
Location: The Land that time forgot
Posts: 3750

He bought Slovakian ......... Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed!

19th Mar 2021 10:01am

DSL

Member Since: 20 Aug 2007
Location: Wandering the wasteland.
Posts: 837

And part Indian.

19th Mar 2021 11:49am

SN

Member Since: 30 Jun 2007
Location: SK6
Posts: 729

Engine's english though! Steve N | 21MY Defender

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19th Mar 2021 1:14pm

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

Pistons from Poland, key fuel system parts from Germany, and perhaps the biggest tech in it is Italian (Fiat), licensed to a German supplier Schaeffler ~ the fuel-saving UniAir electrohydraulic variable valve lift system.

19th Mar 2021 1:58pm

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