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alantd

Member Since: 14 Dec 2008
Location: Northamptonshire
Posts: 1513

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Tonga Green

On the ramp breakover failure, had he held the suspension raise button for 3 seconds, there are 2 additional heights available for a grounded vehicle. That would have likely increased the angle to free the Land Rover.

I tried this once on a D4. I floated it in a reservoir - the suspension could then be raised further to regain traction (don't try this at home). One that started out as a 2.4 TDCi 110 XS
+ New Defender 110 First Edition

27th Jul 2020 11:24am

Ecco

Member Since: 31 Oct 2015
Location: Kuala Lumpur
Posts: 279

2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 DCPU Galway Green

..no surprise or disappointment here..both, surprise and disappointment ended when i saw that JLR creep for a first time..after that all i see is a confirmation of everything said against such horrible design..there is no logical way whatsoever, that this thing will make money JLR needs...such shame as entry point to market with defender done in a fashion bronco is done, would be a blast..

27th Jul 2020 11:32am

camelman

Member Since: 27 Feb 2013
Location: Peak District
Posts: 3320

Supacat wrote:
diesel_jim wrote:
I can't believe all the faffing about in menus and settings to get some kind of off road traction aid on the new Defender.... the G has 3 buttons.... middle, rear and front.... easy.

Yes ~ sometimes less is more.

Haha - my 1962 Mog has 1 lever, 4x2, 4x4, 4x4 all diffs locked. Job done

I can't imagine my farmer mate next door fannying about with that screen to work out which settings he needs to pull his trailer up a muddy slope

But then again farmers aren't going to be buying them as they've got a hilux with a dead sheep in the back....

27th Jul 2020 11:58am

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS DCPU Keswick Green

Toyota Crawl Control

Here's the Toyota system called crawl control ~ seems to make progress very smoothly, rather like I'd have expected the JLR one to have.

27th Jul 2020 2:39pm

J77

Member Since: 04 Nov 2019
Location: Fife
Posts: 3245

LRs ATPC should do similar.

27th Jul 2020 2:45pm

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

So in all the off road videos featuring the new Defender, I've not seen it make such smooth, slow progress. Are people not using the function?

27th Jul 2020 3:21pm

J77

Member Since: 04 Nov 2019
Location: Fife
Posts: 3245

Can’t say I’ve seen it being used, but doesn’t mean it hasn’t though.

I’ve tried it on ruts and it’s pretty smooth.

27th Jul 2020 4:05pm

Tim in Scotland

Member Since: 23 May 2007
Location: The Land that time forgot
Posts: 3750

My head is starting to hurt with all these “toys” - I still prefer just to set it to off-road height, low ratio and switch the HDC on and off as needs be and forget all the TR stuff and drive it the same way as my 90 Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed!

27th Jul 2020 4:16pm

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

I noticed in this video the central diff was unlocking and locking itself automatically with no driver input:

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By the way, I wouldn't bother with the video ~ it was rubbish.

27th Jul 2020 5:28pm

J77

Member Since: 04 Nov 2019
Location: Fife
Posts: 3245

That’s how it works for normal.

On my discos I just set the TR went, none of this driver set up.

27th Jul 2020 5:54pm

familymad

Member Since: 13 Dec 2011
Location: Bucks
Posts: 3461

2016 Defender 130 Puma 2.2 HCPU Santorini Black

LoveTheMud wrote:
I read somewhere to "never be brand loyal, only be product loyal" if the product changes, as it has here, it is no longer the product you were loyal to.

Land rover only care about profit, not about satisfying the enthusiast. Its going to do more than most will need it to do, and that's just the point, its like the latest android phone over the old one, nothing really changes but the marketing bill is as big as the R&D budget...

Is it more practical than a new discovery, second hand, with all the warranties in the world? No... so buy a second hand disco, but always get all the independent warranties you can buy...

Well said 1951 80" S1 2.0
1995 110 300TDI
1995 90 300TDI

27th Jul 2020 7:03pm

J77

Member Since: 04 Nov 2019
Location: Fife
Posts: 3245

Supacat wrote:
So in all the off road videos featuring the new Defender, I've not seen it make such smooth, slow progress. Are people not using the function?

It’s not in English but from about 8 mins onward he demonstrates ATPC.

Should really be standard fit on all LRs these days.

28th Jul 2020 11:17am

Tim in Scotland

Member Since: 23 May 2007
Location: The Land that time forgot
Posts: 3750

The bit where it stops in the sand I think might be when the Auto Terrain Response is re-appraising which setting it should be in and maybe changed to sand mode to haul the car out. Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed!

28th Jul 2020 11:54am

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

The video certainly demonstrated something, shame on the language front; and why are none of the other reviewer's picking up on this and showing it?

28th Jul 2020 5:39pm

Pilgrimmick

Member Since: 16 Nov 2015
Location: Highlands
Posts: 581

I was quite disappointed to see how little articulation there was in the defender. Thought that with bags instead of springs there would have been more.
Using a brake to help you move forwards is so idiotic that any child could tell you it is a bad idea, Diff locks will always win over that sort of system. I did not like it when it came in on the defender and I still do not like it when fitted to the pretender.
Think the pretender will sell well, but it is not the car I want or need. 80" 1948
Lightweight V8
Bowler Tomcat
130 Station wagon
90 300tdi
(Santana PS10 pick up)
Range Rover L322 (Ful fat)

28th Jul 2020 6:26pm

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