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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3750  
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Did anyone else receive their news email in German language format yesterday? Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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1st May 2020 8:46am |
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| tango90 Member Since: 26 Apr 2020 Location: Kildare Posts: 33 
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I couldn't agree more McGovern is an absolute Muppet. The Defender is a Utility Vehicle NOT an SUV and that's the principal on which Land Rover was designed and built but McGovern doesn't understand that and has absolutely no regard for Land Rovers heritage and original design criteria. The only compromise made on the new Defender towards utility is the commercial short wheelbase, there wont be any pick-up's or chassis cabs built. |
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1st May 2020 9:56am |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 3997  
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I think the angle they are going for is that Grenadier is radical in the context of what other marques (specifically JLR) are doing with 4x4s. The trend everywhere else is for softer more leisure orientated vehicles. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS |
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1st May 2020 12:21pm |
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| diduan Member Since: 13 Oct 2016 Location: Central Balkan Posts: 260 
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So far I like what I see. I also like the fact that the focus seems to be on engineering and engineers. Defender 110 SW MY2011 2.4tdci decat, no EGR
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1st May 2020 2:35pm |
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| milesr3 Member Since: 12 Feb 2013 Location: Suffolk Posts: 873 
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If Billy Milne is a target customer, with his Ranger Wildtrack 3.2 and hardtop then it won't be less than £40K (incl. VAT) will it? I'd expect it to command a premium over a DCPU though. |
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1st May 2020 3:04pm |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 3997
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I've seen quite a few comments on line criticising the suspension arms for looking too short to give good articulation. What do you think? 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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1st May 2020 4:55pm |
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| DSC-off Member Since: 16 Oct 2014 Location: North East Posts: 1351 
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I found the drawings below that show the standard arms on the latest Wrangler JL to be between 17 7/16" and 24" long.
The Grenadier seems to be around that or maybe a bit longer, so it should be at least as good as a modern Wrangler. Don't confuse the old long defender arms with a 4 link system. The defender arms are long to compensate for the limited angular movement in the arm to chassis bushes.  Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge |
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1st May 2020 11:24pm |
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| DSC-off Member Since: 16 Oct 2014 Location: North East Posts: 1351
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JL Wrangler, standard arms, 2" lift.
https://www.dynatrac.com/dynatrac-endurosp...er-jl.html https://www.drivingline.com/articles/dynat...on-review/ Click image to enlarge |
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1st May 2020 11:48pm |
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| Stuff Member Since: 06 Feb 2017 Location: Between cradle and grave Posts: 41 |
I like it. I like the honesty. No bling.
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2nd May 2020 3:12pm |
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| BogMonster Member Since: 05 Feb 2008 Location: Stanley Posts: 389  
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I like the suspension concept a lot - big chunky engineering, using proven principles, and everything underneath looks like it would survive being beached and dragged off. The chap being interviewed is saying exactly what you want to hear in the way of design principles and the thing is clearly built from the bottom engineering up rather than from the top design down which seems to be Land Rover's approach these days. It's everything I didn't see under the new Defender.
The only thing I see in the video that I don't like is the location of the radiator at the front, which you can also see behind a front bash plate in one of the vehicles being driven. It's too low, the bottom of it is below the wheel centreline, and the bottom of the radiator will fill up with mud even if it is protected from impact, wading through muddy water repeatedly will end up with a brick where the radiator used to be. Hopefully that's just something that comes out of fitting it into the mule body and won't be the final location. Click image to enlarge --- 2006 Defender 110 SW 300Tdi • 2011 Ford Ranger XLT crewcab • 2015 Defender 110 Station Wagon Utility TDCi |
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3rd May 2020 10:21am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16879 
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I don't suppose any of the vehicles being driven at this stage are finished designs, though they may be hybrids designed to test specific parts of the design. I really wouldn't set much store be thing you see being driven.
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3rd May 2020 11:11am |
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| lonewolf Member Since: 23 Oct 2013 Location: North East England Posts: 206 
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TBH I’m getting more excited about the impending Grenadier release (2021 I believe) than I ever was regarding the new Defender. Unfortunately I cannot see it being much cheaper though. I’ll just have to crack on with the lottery.
Stay safe people 😷👍 |
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4th May 2020 4:37pm |
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| diduan Member Since: 13 Oct 2016 Location: Central Balkan Posts: 260
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Even if the price is similar to new defender, on the one side you have a (hopefully) rugged modular vehicle build by engineers with HD components and on the other - plastic bomber SUV created by arrogant people. Defender 110 SW MY2011 2.4tdci decat, no EGR
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4th May 2020 6:57pm |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5765  
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Diduan, I agree with most of your sentiments except the last word: people. I'd like to suggest that most of the employees at JLR are very nice people only doing their best. But I agree we cannot say that of the egomaniac Demi-God running the show. Semantics, I know, but we don't want to be too unfair on the hard working girls and boys at JLR do we?
 Monsieur Le Grenadier
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5th May 2020 9:19am |
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