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All Terrain



Member Since: 22 May 2011
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It must be at least 10 mins since we had a tyre post........
So here goes!

Wrong time of year but just thinking ahead...does anyone have experience of Good Year MTR's in the snow?

Reading other posts it is obvious that BFG MTs and Cooper STT aren't that great in snow compared to AT or M+S rated tyres (obviously) but would the GY's fare any better than the other two mud favourites in any one's experience?

Just looking at changing from Grabber TR's to a more aggressive tread and trying to avoid having two sets of tyres.

David.
Post #77522 24th Jun 2011 11:33am
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ken



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OK I'll bite Rolling with laughter

Any good MT tyre will be fine in fresh snow the problem comes on packed snow MT's cant dig

My choice is that this winter I will be on a winter rated tyre (Mountain/snowfake not just M+S) its looking like the General AT2
Post #77526 24th Jun 2011 11:47am
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I will also be on a Vreidstein Wintrac winter tyre (with mountain and snowflake).

Better to be safe than sorry and it also now law where I live. Thumbs Up
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Nice one Ken! Laughing

It seems that the AT2 is the name that keeps coming up.

So excuse my ignorance but what is the difference between M+S and M+Snowflake? I thought they were the same?

David.
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I'm sure Ken will clarify, but my understanding is:

M+S - Normal all year road tyre with a tread pattern 'suitable' for mud and snow.

Mountain and Snowflake - Specific softer compound and tread pattern to allow for better grip on Ice and Snow. If you were to drive on them in the summer, they would wear out pretty rapid!!

Cheers

Ian Thumbs Up
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Nothing wrong with TRs in snow, YEAH THEY LOOK BORING BUT THEY WORK Thumbs Up
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M+S generally acceptable as a winter tyre although in proper winter places were Winter Tyres are required you would be foolhardy to not have a Winter Tyre with a Mountain & Snowflake on the sidewall Thumbs Up
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Ian, that makes sense for sure.

Ibex, maybe you have just saved me some ££. Perhaps I'll just renew my front (worn) TR's and be done with it.

But I am fighting my vanity and desire for "the look" Sheep

David.
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What about the New Cooper ST, looks like a fairly chunky all terrain tyre?

I've no idea what they are rated.

Steve Thumbs Up

PS
I thought M&S rating was based purely on the tread pattern while the snowflake meant they had passed specific testing requirements? Defender 90 TD5 Station Wagon
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stevie d wrote:
What about the New Cooper ST, looks like a fairly chunky all terrain tyre?

I've no idea what they are rated.

Steve Thumbs Up

PS
I thought M&S rating was based purely on the tread pattern while the snowflake meant they had passed specific testing requirements?


They are rated M+S (no snowflake) and have been great in the snow for the last two winters. they look good, wear well and work well.

The Continentials that are now standard fit on Defenders are M+S rated as well so I'll see what they are like this winter. I'd like some 265 Coopers on the 110 too but as there is nothing wrong with the tyres on it I'll prob save the cash for now. John

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Plus the fact you can pick up TRs really cheap at the moment
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Just to add - the TRs on the 07 Puma were fine in snow and off road - just looked a bit 'road biased'. John

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TR's OK on a flat road on snow but hopeless in anything else in my experience - don't attempt hills, especially ones with Yorkshire Dales stone walls on either side - bl***y frightening!
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All Terrain wrote:
Ian, that makes sense for sure.

Ibex, maybe you have just saved me some ££. Perhaps I'll just renew my front (worn) TR's and be done with it.

But I am fighting my vanity and desire for "the look" Sheep

David.


If you choose to stick with TR's or want to buy yourself some time, I got 3 TR's (235/85/16) in the garage going spare. 2 have about 5-6 mm and 1 has 8-9mm on it. Have it listed in the for sale section.

Given they not brand new, you are welcome to them for nowt if you can pick up close'ish to me (Buckingham or Oxford area) or I happy to hang on to them until you can coordinate a forum relay Smile

You got first dibs if any interest Smile

Edit : here's the original post from a few months back.

http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic5452.html Jon - 110 td5 [sold]. Currently Defenderless.
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why has no one mentioned BFG ATs? I have a set and they are great for all year round, dont seem to wear out. Onroad/Off road etc. Current:D4 HSE
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