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| Crossfit_Pete Member Since: 07 Feb 2018 Location: N.Essex Posts: 168   
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As I understand it the issue is mainly down to engine bay architecture so yes it’s possible that it won’t be a problem in the new Defender.
My wife’s Evoque recently had the service request come on early, 16,000 miles. Went in to the main dealer as it has a service plan and the said all it needed was a “software update “. I had the oil tested independently and it showed 6.5% oil dilution. Apparently the update just increases the acceptable level to 10%. So no they are just pushing the problem further down the line. I changed the oil myself in the end and will do so every year. |
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9th Feb 2020 8:29am |
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| discomog Member Since: 09 May 2015 Location: Notts/Lincs Border Posts: 2495 
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Like CrossfitPet I'm changing the oil on my wife's Discovery Sport annually at 8000 miles. Our original plan was to change the car at three years old but due to the relatively high prices of the face-lifted DS we've decided to keep it for another year. Knowing some of the problems with the Ingenium engine we're seriously considering taking out an extended warranty - something we have never done before. Decision time. Defender 90XS SW
Mini Countryman Cooper S Morgan Plus 8 |
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9th Feb 2020 9:43am |
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| J77 Member Since: 04 Nov 2019 Location: Fife Posts: 3246 
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Oil dilution doesn’t seem to be an issue with the twin turbo engines, my D240 Velar has went the full 2 years before asking for a service, unlike my TD6 (single turbo) Disco 5, which requested numerous early services. I’m happy enough to take the D200 (twin turbo) with my 90
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9th Feb 2020 2:08pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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Have a look on this thread:
https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic69221...;start=150 Especially this post:
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10th Feb 2020 7:31am |
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| Crossfit_Pete Member Since: 07 Feb 2018 Location: N.Essex Posts: 168
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From what I’ve read there’s nothing actually wrong with the engine itself, it’s the fact that it’s been shoehorned into the DS and Evoque that’s causing the issue. This potentially shouldn’t be an issue with the new Defender?
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10th Feb 2020 7:45am |
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| Fat Cog Member Since: 19 Mar 2012 Location: Oxfordshire & Devon Posts: 502 
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I was reading an article recently (& for the life of me have been unable to locate the web pages) about high levels of catastrophic engine failures of new high end cars & also that the breakdown services are increasingly having to attend breakdowns to newer high-tech vehicles.
The more I read about such issues as 'oil dilution' etc, the more I'm inclined to stay 'well away'...imagine spending all your hard earned brass on something you've yearned for only to realise that most of your motoring miles will be spent back & forth to the main dealer (which in itself is usually a traumatic experience). What on earth was wrong with a good old V8 or straight 6 simple engine...the motoring industry's gone mad & we haven't even peaked on problems with fully electric vehicles. I'm a self declared motoring luddite...must sign off as all my ranting has reminded me I need to grease my props this morning. Since 1973...S1, Air Portable's, Defender's, but only my Wolf TUL HS GS remains |
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10th Feb 2020 10:01am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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I hope you have a nice warm garage to do that in!
To be fair they are having to respond to legislative requirements which in all truth are "finger in the dyke" solutions to much larger issues. It has to be one of the worst times for being a mechanical/automotive engineer. |
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10th Feb 2020 10:05am |
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| Fat Cog Member Since: 19 Mar 2012 Location: Oxfordshire & Devon Posts: 502
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I do...& plenty of cardboard to lie on!!!
And I've also just remembered my Wolf needs a new bulb fitted (24v)...should I do it myself or pay Halfords...ha ha. Since 1973...S1, Air Portable's, Defender's, but only my Wolf TUL HS GS remains |
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10th Feb 2020 10:08am |
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| milesr3 Member Since: 12 Feb 2013 Location: Suffolk Posts: 873 
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This explanation, from JLR, of their different architectures is most useful;
https://www.discosportforums.co.uk/viewtop...09#p108709 If the new Defender has a longitudinally mounted 2.0 engine, like the D7A (XE, XF, F-Pace and Velar) and a close coupled DPF then it should not be a problem. |
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10th Feb 2020 10:55am |
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| muddypaws Member Since: 22 Jan 2013 Location: Leicestershire Posts: 122  
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Excuse the ignorance but why is passive regeneration difficult in a transverse engine & why are the twin turbo engines not problematic? Richard
Defender 90 SVX |
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10th Feb 2020 12:04pm |
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| windy81 Member Since: 14 Mar 2018 Location: North Wales Posts: 311  
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from reading the above link i think its because of the distance to the dpf in tranverse engines is too far for regeneration to complete properly
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10th Feb 2020 12:47pm |
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| muddypaws Member Since: 22 Jan 2013 Location: Leicestershire Posts: 122
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I get that but why can it not be put closer - engine bay too short? Richard
Defender 90 SVX |
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10th Feb 2020 1:06pm |
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| DSC-off Member Since: 16 Oct 2014 Location: North East Posts: 1351 
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To summarise JLRs advice, if you drive at a slow speed or short journeys, either urban or rural, the most suitable vehicle in their range is a 3.0 V6 F-type.
 
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10th Feb 2020 7:58pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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and the new baby Defender will be based on the Tata platform that in turn is based on the D8, so unless JLR change the DPF fuel injection strategy this will suffer major issues also.?
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11th Feb 2020 9:05am |
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