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Joe the Plumber



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custom90steve wrote:
Indeed, otherwise there is a back syphon and possible contamination of fresh water supply. Shocked

On a similar subject when it to garden hoses, I have always found the Yellow Hozelock Ultimate hoses to be best.
The green ones always rubbish, preferable without any joints or connectors in between. A 50M is perfect.


I used to swear by that Hozelock hose (and indeed they're great) until someone on the 'Detailing World' forum suggested the NTS Wintech one in my link a few posts back. I'd have a look at one Steve, they're remarkable for the price.
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walfy



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Right then, I'm now officially confused, not that it takes much. Took pics of the inside pipework and outside tap for Joe

Inside pipework, I thought this was my issue with a connector for the washing machine and an inline tap



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Outside tap, I thought a bit of flow restriction through the small tap and then again through the hozelock connector



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Now to the flow figures. Found suitable container, measured of 10L.

Ran the kitchen tap, took 1 min 24 secs to fill to the 10L level

Outside tap

After soaking myself first

Took 28 secs to fill to 10L mark


So now the issue either lies with the pressure washer needing more water than I can supply or the hose is causing the restriction. But I used this hose at my last house in Bristol.

I've tried a smaller Karcher washer and that would run for maybe 5 secs and cut out, pressure would build up and it would run again which is the same issue I have with my washer.
My pressure washer is a Kranzle 160TST. I purchased used about 5yrs ago and it's worked faultlessly since then. But since we've moved to the sticks it's giving me these problems. 110 D250 SE HT
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Balvaig



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Not read the whole thread, but a quick thought.
Are you using the Hozelock type fittings which stop the water flow on removal from the tap/pressure washer.
These restrict water flow through the hose and are not recommended.
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Joe the Plumber



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I'd agree if the outside tap is providing what amounts to 20+ LPM, there must be a problem with the hose or its fittings (or the pressure washer itself of course).

The kitchen tap clearly has some restriction to it, or the design itself causes the lower flow.
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custom90



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Balvaig wrote:
Not read the whole thread, but a quick thought.
Are you using the Hozelock type fittings which stop the water flow on removal from the tap/pressure washer.
These restrict water flow through the hose and are not recommended.

I do with mine, on one end only only because it makes set up easier despite the fact they aren't advised.
However, mines only a little Karcher, so it would probably expect quite a bit less flow rate.
Another thing I've found with hose pipes is that if you have two connected together with a connector that will also reduce flow. (Reduced internal bore size.)
We used to have two 25M ones joined together, not ideal.
Now we have a single 50M hose which is better.
It also can make a difference in pressure and flow between where you are using the pressure washer and tap.
So if you are using your washer at a lower height / level you'll get a better flow and pressure.
If the pressure washer is being used above / uphill significantly from the tap that can reduce the flow as well.
Enough to make the pressure washer work harder.
Around equal level to the tap is pretty much normal pressure abd flow.

We find the Yellow Hozelock Ultimate is the best, the green ones are terrible. Diesels Lives Matter. ⛽️🛢️👨‍🔧🧰⚙️
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walfy



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Had a quick look, I have the hozelock connectors that stop the water on removal at both ends of the pipe. So looks like I need to go to Homebase at lunchtime and buy some new connectors.

Many thanks for all the advice. Will post up the results when I have new connectors. And now thinking about it, the connectors are the only part of the system that I've changed since we moved to the sticks. When I was trying to use it before the level of the washer was about 11/2 m below the level of the tap. So that isn't an issue where as in Bristol it was about 1 1/2m above the tap. 110 D250 SE HT
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walfy



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Just to close this off and thank everyone for the help and advice. I ended up sending my Kranzle away for a service , a hefty £200 and it's now back home and put straight to use. Apparently it was 20bar down on pressure
Anyway decided to clean the patio and garden path. Didn't realise it would take so long. Started about 11 and finished at 1600hrs. No lunch or tea breaks Shocked Shocked .
Here's the results
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After

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Good job...but you shouldn't have let it get to that state Smile
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We've only been here a tad over 12 months and sorting the cottage out was more important than the patio. But it won't ever be like it again 110 D250 SE HT
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I have a rainwater harvesting system off the garage roof into a single IBC mounted on blocks for height. This then gravity feeds two hoses, one for the karcher and one for watering the garden. I rarely run it dry.
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walfy



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I had thought about an IBC or our spare oil tank which only ever has water in it but space is at a premium and I have nowhere close to the cottage to position it.
I'm dreading having to replace the current oil tank, as when I do it has to meet current regs and it's to close to the door. It will mean having it down the garden stuck out like a sore thumb. 110 D250 SE HT
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