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| LR90XS2011 Member Since: 05 Apr 2011 Location: bickenhill Posts: 3612   
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Scrap Nissan leaf bits are probably a lot cheaper than Tesla bits, hence this may become a better option for all of us in a few year, and by then some good batteries will be available.
Unless we all go Hydrogen drive DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS, I hope everyone is well and your land rovers make you happy |
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6th Dec 2019 8:00pm |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3750 
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Hydrogen drive is even less useful than a 60 miles on a good warm day ex Nissan Leaf battery drive with only 3-4 hydrogen filling stations (allbehind locked gates too) in the UK to get your hydrogen fill up from! Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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6th Dec 2019 8:28pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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Just reading some figures on the actual costs of the batteries. "Battery prices, which were above $1,100 per kilowatt-hour in 2010, have fallen 87% in real terms to $156/kWh in 2019. By 2023, average prices will be close to $100/kWh." https://thedriven.io/2019/12/06/ev-battery...increases/ |
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7th Dec 2019 2:54pm |
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| bankz5152 Member Since: 02 Feb 2017 Location: South London/North Kent Posts: 2068 
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Rather
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Empire Tuning - Agent |
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7th Dec 2019 3:41pm |
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| Zed Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: In the woods Posts: 3013 
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https://www.instagram.com/p/B5f2255HBsV/ WARNING. This post may contain sarcasm. |
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7th Dec 2019 5:17pm |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 3997 
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It's all well and good as long as you want to move any weight. For some reason electric vehicles seems to be really badly affected when you load them up or start towing. This is the abbreviated summary of a series of videos testing a Tesla ModelX with a trailer. Ignore the ridiculous off roading bit at the end.
The Tesla will comfortably do 300 miles unloaded, but struggles to do 100 with a trailer on the back. Why BEVs are affected more that ICE vehicles I don't know, but it is a major issue for the uptake of utility or commercial electric cars. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS |
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7th Dec 2019 5:51pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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It's Friday night, you have probably worked hard all week, so go on then, knock yourself out... no one will judge you...  |
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7th Dec 2019 5:54pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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I've tagged that to watch later, but I wonder how someone like Amazon has done it's sums and placed an order for 100,000 fully-electric delivery vans, with 10,000 hitting the roads as early as 2022 and a further 90,000 added by 2030. |
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7th Dec 2019 6:02pm |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 3997
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Regarding Amazon, they will be for the last few miles type deliveries, low speed urban environment, not heavily loaded and plenty of charging infrastructure. That is really the only market where BEVs are going to be used commercially in the short to medium term in my view.
No one in that I've spoken to in the freight industry is even considering electric for long haul at the moment. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS |
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7th Dec 2019 6:20pm |
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| HardCharger Member Since: 03 Mar 2013 Location: Manila, SFO, Amsterdam Posts: 673 
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Didn't Land Rover produce 4 electric Defender units for study that did pretty well?
Maybe someone can acquire one of the units and reverse engineer it to make a kit for the rest of us?  |
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11th Dec 2019 2:46am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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11th Dec 2019 7:34am |
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| familymad Member Since: 13 Dec 2011 Location: Bucks Posts: 3463 
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And they chose not to learn from that project but launch a new Defender with a platform that uses an antique set of engines. Outdated at birth
Whatever people think of Musk, he’s moved the game on and made the big manufactures have sleepless nights. 1951 80" S1 2.0 1995 110 300TDI 1995 90 300TDI |
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11th Dec 2019 8:06am |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11240 
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Current conversions using bits from Nissan's or Tesla's are very inventive but are there really enough if them being written off to make it a viable proposition? When volume brings the prices down, I'm hoping that somebody will engineer proper 'drop in' solutions for vehicles like ours. Darren
110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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11th Dec 2019 10:07am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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It's a waiting game at the moment - I don't feel there's enough in it to be an early adopter, especially when costs of the Tesla conversion appear to be running at £40k to £60k.
I think ideally I'd be wanting a solution with a motor at each wheel for the benefits that would give both on and off road. I did wonder where all these Tesla batteries and motors are coming from - I'm assuming they cannot be bought new? As an afterthought, following on from the doors and bonnet thefts, dpfs being cut off in car parks - when will we be hearing of the first Tesla owner returning to their car to find the battery pack missing? |
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11th Dec 2019 10:43am |
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