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Emptywallet



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Downpipe Removal
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Is there a clever trick to remove the 3 nuts holding the downpipe to the turbo? I have doused them in WD all week but they will not budge. Due to lack of space I can only use a short bar on the socket which is the main issue I guess. Looking through various posts there’s suggest using a long extension bar and accessing the nuts from underneath the car, but again there is no straight access that I can see!

Any ideas?
Post #763615 15th Mar 2019 2:46pm
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WD40 is a relatively useless penetrant, even their “penetrating” oil is not that good. Get a better pentrating oil like liquid wrench, or use heat.
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Post #763634 15th Mar 2019 4:27pm
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excossack



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From memory, I accessed mine from underneath with a long extension and a flexible knuckle with a 13mm socket. Maybe it would work better with a hot exhaust (but don't burn yourself) 1999 Defender TD5 110

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bankz5152



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Bolts on mine needed a 19mm spanner!

Use a spanner. Smack it with a hammer.

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Mdm



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tyr getting the engine hot

try real penetrating oil. any of the good brands are ok.

try freeze sprays after heat

wd40 isint any good for much on a lr these days

we use long extensions and get them from ground level

and heat if you have access to oxy acetylene

good luck
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excossack



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bankz5152 wrote:
Bolts on mine needed a 19mm spanner!

Use a spanner. Smack it with a hammer.

Use Plusgas.


My bad, yup 19mm would be more like it 1999 Defender TD5 110

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Post #763751 16th Mar 2019 9:50am
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Emptywallet



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Thanks everyone.

I have tried and failed using all the above methods other than oxy acetylene. My little gas blow torch is like Peeing in the wind with so much iron around to soak up the heat. All I have managed to do is round off the nut a little (15mm on mine). Looks like it will have to book it in to a professional.
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Screbble



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How did you get on in the end Emptywallet? I hope you got it sorted.

Does anyone know the thread size/pitch for said studs on the turbo to down pipe connection, as in anticipation of doing the same job myself shortly, I'd ideally like to be prepared with 3 new nuts.

I think the std nuts are steel flange head but I'll probably be opting for brass/copper full nuts.
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benniferj



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I used 2 half inch drive extension bars joined together on the nut most inwards towards the engine from underneath with a small Dewalt impact gun. For the other 2 I managed to get the impact gun in from the top around the manifold. Loosen off the one nearest the block first as its the hardest to get onto. I think one bar was a foot long and another about 4". Did this last week, I removed the gearbox crossmember to do the job as well.

And yes WD40 penetrant is rubbish.
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gtmotorsport



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I was in a similar situation a few weeks ago and resorted to cutting my original down pipe to allow my to remove the turbo and manifold from the top. Being prepared for the worse I pre-ordered all new studs and nuts for the turbo and resorted to slicing down the side of each nut holding the down pipe on and then replacing all the studs, etc.
I realise a little extreme of an approach, but I had various attempts previously and failed. I also fitted a de-webbed and skimmed manifold at the same time in addition to renewing the manifold / head studs and nuts (Wurth kit).
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Emptywallet



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Screbble wrote:
How did you get on in the end Emptywallet? I hope you got it sorted.

Does anyone know the thread size/pitch for said studs on the turbo to down pipe connection, as in anticipation of doing the same job myself shortly, I'd ideally like to be prepared with 3 new nuts.

I think the std nuts are steel flange head but I'll probably be opting for brass/copper full nuts.


Screbble I hate to admit it, but I gave up and got a local garage to sort it. It took them 2.5 hours and was an absolute b@st@rd!

End result is worth it though. I also removed the centre box and had a Stage 2 remap from Storm. Car sounds lovely and not too loud. Performance is also in a different world now. It is not fast by today’s standard (why would I want it to be) but is far more flexible and a lot less terrifying when joining motorways, etc.
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Screbble



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Glad the end result was worth it Emptywallet Thumbs Up
I don't blame you for letting someone else enjoy the pain.

Gtmotorsport - do you recall the thread size of the 3 studs/nuts securing the turbo to the down pipe?
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gtmotorsport



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Screbble - If I recall correctly they were a stock M10 threads as I had to drill and re-tap them on the turbo. I purchased genuine suds, but they certainly aren't cheap as studs go.
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My studs came off fine but what a job to get the downpipe out between the engine and chassis! The old one seemed to fiddle out quite quickly but l spent ages trying to get the new (genuine LR) one back in and it just wouldn’t fit through. There’s obviously just one place that it fits.

Eventually and near to tears of frustration l used a scissor jack to move the engine very slightly and after another twenty minutes of messing about it finally went through the gap.
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