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Slideywindows



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Andy80 wrote:
Talking of sensible chat... So have you never time to remove the rattly old diesel for a more refined Petrol engine then? Wink


Cheeky blighter!

Come up to north Essex and buy me a drink to apologise. Wink
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ian series 1



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Slideywindows wrote:
Nice to see some sensible SI chat on here. Thumbs Up

I hope the OP, "bluebottle" gets something out of it.

Don't know if I've put this up before. Owned 50 years this coming December.
Drove a lot in Europe when I was 19, down to S of France, up to Oslo for a few days and back down to S of France.

Original two litre diesel, was on little 600x16 ATM tyres and no overdrive.

I keep mentioning it, as no-one has given me the medal I so obviously deserve! Rolling with laughter



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Great picture, Thumbs Up
There is something about a series 1 in the snow..... 80" 80" 86" 88" 90"

Wanted, Forward Control Anything considered.


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Post #681177 23rd Jan 2018 10:21pm
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bluebottle



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As the OP I am getting quite a bit from this... mainly impatient to get on with ‘mine’ but I’m trying to stay realistic!

Seriously though, I’m counting on this place for motivation if I’m £10k in the hole and the thing still looks like a wreck! Wink
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strang



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Slideywindows wrote:

Original two litre diesel


Mine was originally a 2 litre diesel. It had at some point been converted to a petrol, but when I bought it about 20 years ago, it was again fitted with the 2 litre diesel. After problems with the wet liners failing, I fitted another 2 litre diesel, but when I rebuilt it I decided to fit a 200Tdi as I was now hooked on 'euro-leafing' and so need the extra power for the long trips. Euro-Leafing to infinity and beyond.....
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Thanks guys for the great read Thumbs Up 1996 Golf Blue 300Tdi 110 Pick up. Keeper.


Clayton.
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Dieselhead



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Oh go on then, here is my 53 S1. I am 2nd owner but needs a great deal of work after being layed up for 30 years. The chassis needs lots of love. I joined the S1 club & am amazed how many members are there & great interesting S1 models. I cant bring myself to paint it so will just sort out what ever needs doing when the time comes Rolling Eyes

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2008 XS 110 2.4 Utility. Tonga Green
1953 Series 1 for restoration
1983 Mini Mayfair
2004 VW T5 Camper
2008 Diahatsu Sirion. Thats hers
Classic Bolens Garden Tractors
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blackwolf



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^^^ The bulkhead and sidescreens are older than '53!
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Dieselhead



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Says 53 according to the serial & log book. No ideas on its past . don't want to high jack this topic about mine too much! Chris

2008 XS 110 2.4 Utility. Tonga Green
1953 Series 1 for restoration
1983 Mini Mayfair
2004 VW T5 Camper
2008 Diahatsu Sirion. Thats hers
Classic Bolens Garden Tractors
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ian series 1



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As discussed, yours has a Craddocks bulkhead fitted,
They were a copy of the aluminium bulkhead, but made of sheet steel.

As far as I’m aware they all had side lights fitted as standard,
As it was probably easier to make one rather than two versions?


I’ve got one on my 52.

Door tops were easy to swap around from vehicle to vehicle,
Again, my 52 has had earlier door tops fitted at some point?

It looks a good project Chris,
Looking forward to seeing more photos... Thumbs Up 80" 80" 86" 88" 90"

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blackwolf



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The point I was getting at is that on a '53 the bulkhead would not have sidelight holes and the door tops would not have the canvas triangular flaps. Everything else about it looks '53.

My '53 80" has a 1950 chassis, bulkhead, rear tub, and front axle, and possibly other parts too! I didn't have the first idea of this when I bought it (which is around 40 years ago now), it was only when I started working on it and found huge inconsistencies (like sidelight holes in the bulkhead, narrow front springs with the shackles at the front end, and Rzeppa CV joints in the swivels) that I figured out that it was actually the unnatural union of an 1950 80" and a 1953 80". Eventually I tracked down the fellow who'd done it and got the back story, but the 1950 donor vehicle was unregistered so he'd simply left all the registration details as they were for the '53. You could do that sort of thing back then. Interestingly the '50 chassis number put is slap in the middle of the batch that became 81" B40 engined vehicles, though clearly mine was always a 1600cc and not a Rolls-engined specimen.

Seen here in about 1985 doing some fairly hard work. Trailer and load is around 3 tons.


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ian series 1



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The point I was getting at is that on a '53 the bulkhead would not have sidelight holes and the door tops would not have the canvas triangular flaps. Everything else about it looks '53.

My point was, that as a newcomer to an 80” there were so many changes to the brand in the first few years, it can be very confusing to a new owner, as to what they have, and why they were fitted?
Let alone what’s been done to it over its lifetime, as your fully aware.

Also the parts produced back in the early 80s, which many new owners know nothing about, can cause confusion to what model they even have? 80" 80" 86" 88" 90"

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It looks a decent project Dieselhead and if a few parts are not technically correct for a 53 then IMO it’s not a big deal unless you are an obsessive type who wants everything to be year correct. Enjoy it for what it is they are good fun to pull apart and tinker with Thumbs Up
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Slideywindows



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Agree with Defender9, there's no real problem with this SI.

However, there IS a problem when someone puts a shiny coat of paint on it and a Dealer (or Auctioneer) sells it as "totally original".

That is when the rivet-counter can come to the aid of someone who is about to part with a lot of money, for something that is not worth anywhere near that money.

Not the case here obviously. Thumbs Up
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blackwolf



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I wasn't intending that my bulkhead comment was a criticism, it is a cracking little Series 1!

There will be few, very few, remaining to be found which are totally original. As I said in my post above, my own '53 turned out to be a veritable Frankenstein's Monster, but it is still a nice (and I think desirable) vehicle.

Part of the pleasure of owning a vehicle like any of these is the voyage of discovery it takes you on. As time passes you will learn what is original and what is not, and all of these parts make up the history and contribute to the story of the vehicle. The showroom standard or above restorations in my opinion have in most cases had that history and character removed.

The reason my own '53 was rebuilt onto a '50 chassis is because it was nearly totalled during a callout when it was in use as a cave rescue vehicle. If it had been 'done right' I would probably never have found this out.
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hafman



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ian series 1 wrote:
Mirroring what has been said above,
I have a restored 80” and 86” I rarely use them!

Been there too; I restored my 1962 Steyr Puch Haflinger and am now afraid to get it muddy. I was warned, but I (sadly) ignored the advice... Embarassed

PS But it is not all bad news - as it prompted me to buy a 1999 Td5 which I will just use around the farm and enjoy it for what it is ... a workhorse.
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