willy eckerslike wrote:

Why Maybe I'm just used to it but I don't think my Defenders that noisy, I manage to listen to the radio at 70 with no problems, must be a quiet one.

DefenderOfTheEarth wrote:

willy eckerslike wrote:

Why Maybe I'm just used to it but I don't think my Defenders that noisy, I manage to listen to the radio at 70 with no problems, must be a quiet one.

Compared to the BM, the Defender is a deafening. It's definitely way better than it used to be but still loud. Loads of wind noise too.

I find mine fine (21,000 miles in 16months).... in fact, over Christmas me and my bro went bowling... because back home the closest bowling alley is 30 miles away, we decided to go in his car as he didn't want to go in a 'noisy agricultural vehicle'. His 2009 1.6 Seat Leon is a damn sight noisier than my Defender!

Glyn

NoDo$h wrote:

Back country, pow, SkierX and piste. My Rossis can do the required although I hold my hand up that they're not brilliant in powder if you lose speed. Take a bit of work to get going again

I leave the park to the kids

My biggest buzz is without doubt the SkierX. The crosser park in Les Contamines is a scream. Choice of routes in (although I prefer the run from Aggy Cross, down the mogul field and then through the pipe) followed by an insanely fast, heavily banked cross course. Pure magic with an adrenaline hard-on for afters.

I think I may have just done a little wee in anticipation of my next run out there

I didn't realise you were gay?

TC wrote:

I didn't realise you were gay?

Who dear? Me dear? Gay dear?

When you say South West, do we go to the same dogging spots? 

54 Freelander modded for mud
2008 D3 SE
2010 90 XS SW
1978 88 Series 3 undergoing surgery with a new owner
2007 90 County Truck Cab - gone
2006 D3 SE - gone
2004 Freelander Sport - gay
1999 Disco V8 ES rotted to bits

DefenderOfTheEarth wrote:

Glyn - I find mine fine too but it's a lot louder than our "long distance" car which even at (ahem) a wee bit over 70, you can still hold a conversation without raising your voice.

Mind you, it's Vmax is almost double the Defenders to while at MWay speeds the 110 is near it's max speed, the BM is only halfway there and hardly "notices" - in fact 90 in the BM is about 2k rpm in 5th (out of 6).

Oh and Glyn - your very own signature called the car a "Defener"

DefenderOfTheEarth wrote:

Errmmm - a chipped 330d will not be quicker than a 335d - trust me on that one. The latest one (240ish bhp) can be brought up to 270ish bhp - most stock 335ds are kicking out over 300. And you will still be a fair bit short on torque. I have many BM owning mates and this has been done to death.

Even with similarish power, the 330d still only has one turbo so has a gap in the power delivery, plus the lower redline, smaller brakes and "corrupted" electronically assisted steering (335d and 335i have fully hydraulic steering). It may keep up in a straight line but on real roads, the 335d will still be in front.

However I wouldn't take ours to the Alps - I'd take the Defender. And some ear "defenders" too.

+1

I have had both (the 330d was DMS mapped) and it wasn't a patch on the 335 (and the 330 was a saloon with the 335 being a touring), not even in a straight line.....a quoted bhp figure doesn't mean it will turn out at the wheels; the entire set up is relevant and has to be considered.

By the same token, don't let anyone tell you a chipped 335i is as good as an M3, they may be able to keep up in a straight line but there is an overriding reason an M series motor (not a badged up M Sport) is made in a different factory

And a final observation, anyone who says an M3 is quicker than an M5, they have never been in an M5

Having said all of the above, I have seen a mildly tuned Seat Leon TDI (basic remap) go round a track quicker than a 335d. The final lesson, if you can't drive, move over