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Eduardo



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Chile 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Stornoway Grey
SSM38428 - P1169 and or P0089 codes logged.
This issue has been commented here, but I think that can help somebody.

Regards

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LD - Defender
Title P1169 and or P0089 codes logged.
Last Modified 30-JUL-2008 10:16
Category Driveability
Symptom 608000 Runs Rough
Content Issue:
07MY onwards - Difficult to start, missfire, lack of power, driveability issues etc.
PCM can have either P1169 and or P0089 logged codes.
Pre assured Vin# Def 90 at Vin LD8A760582. Defender 110/130 at Vin# LD8A760304.

Cause:
Potential contamination in the fuel system.

Action:
Remove the fuel filter, drain complete contents into a suitable clear vessel. Note signs of any water contamination / debris.

1) If more than 40cc of water or debris is evident carry out the following:-
Drain the fuel tank.
Check the fuel tank breather location and reposition as per the illustration A attached.
On pick up variants please reposition the breather pipe in board towards the rear of the fuel tank.
If breather is blocked replace the pipe as per GTR.
Replace the fuel filter and clean out the fuel lines of any contamination / debris and or residue.
For P1169 code replace the FMV (Fuel Metering Valve), as per GTR and LTB00153. Illustration B.
If DTC P0089 is also present replace the PRV (Pressure Relief Valve), as per GTR. Illustration C.
Bleed and prime the fuel system as per GTR.
Start the vehicle and carry out the pump learn process with IDS as per GTR.
Carry out a road test to ensure the issue has been rectified and no codes have been logged.
Submit any findings on ePQR to engineering.

2) If no sign of water or debris but either codes logged carry out the following:-
Check the integrity of the wiring and the condition of the terminal connections between PCM and Fuel Rail Pressure Sensor and between PCM and FMV. Repair wiring as necessary and re test the vehicle.
If no issue is found with the wiring / connections, and code P1169 logged, replace the FMV as per GTR and LTB00153.
Replace the fuel rail PRV (Pressure Relief Valve), only If DTC P0089 is present as per GTR.
Start the vehicle and carry out the pump learn process with IDS as per GTR.
Carry out a road test to ensure the issue has been rectified and no codes have been logged.
Submit any findings on ePQR to engineering.

Note:-
A new tank / breather design was introduced on Defender 90 Vin# LD8A760582. and Defender 110/130 at Vin# LD8A760304.
Please submit an ePQR for any issue seen on vehicles post these vins.


Also there is some pictures attached to the SMM

Figure 1


Figure 2


Figure 3


Figure 4

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 Eduardo

MY 2007 110 SW PUMA 2.4: Big Fog of 64'
MY 1994 Jayco 1207 Folding camper: "El Tremendo"

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Post #3639 3rd Sep 2008 11:14pm
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CapeLandy



Member Since: 21 Jul 2008
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40 cc
Excuse my ignorance but does this look like 40cc Shocked
Hope not.
The container is about 50 x 50mm and 10mm heigh with water.

 Puma 110 - gone
Series III 1973 - going strong
Post #3694 9th Sep 2008 6:28am
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dm_td5



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Australia 2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Zermatt Silver
50mm x 50mm x 10mm is 25cc so no its not, but that's still not a good sign. 110 2.4TDCi
110 300Tdi

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Post #3696 9th Sep 2008 8:34am
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CapeLandy



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Do you think it is still safe then?
I did relocate the breather already and subsequent tests have not revealed any more water, only some left over silt from the time we traveled 6 hours on wet dirt roads.
I have not had any symptoms of power loss or higher fuel consumption etc as yet.
Is it worth taking up with LR and show them the sample?
I am not sure they would apretiate me taking a sample myself.
i am also lucky I didn't get an air lock as at the time I had no manual and thought she had a pump in the tank.
How does one change a filter in the outback if you don't carry special bleeding gear?
Chers
James Puma 110 - gone
Series III 1973 - going strong
Post #3699 9th Sep 2008 8:49am
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dm_td5



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Australia 2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Zermatt Silver
CapeLandy wrote:
How does one change a filter in the outback if you don't carry special bleeding gear?


Yes, that's a question I too need an answer for. I somewhat blindly bought a spare fuel filter but now don't know how to change it if I ever had to (dirty fuel etc). I'm still to subscribe to LR GTR. 110 2.4TDCi
110 300Tdi

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Post #3700 9th Sep 2008 10:39am
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Tim_NZ



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Hi Derek, I also blindly purchaced a spare filter then found out you need one of these:



I emailed the dealer in Australia and this is part of the email I got back:

The part number for the tool is 310-110A
Can be aquired from SPX Tools Australia
Contact name Glen – phone number 03 9544 5222


I phoned them last week and am still awating a reply, I'll post any info I get.

Tim

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Post #3701 9th Sep 2008 10:50am
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CapeLandy



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how does it work
Any idea where it goes or how it works?

Looks like it may connect to the drain and suck fuel from the tank into the filter.

Could one not fill the filter element with diesel and screw it carefully into position? Puma 110 - gone
Series III 1973 - going strong
Post #3703 9th Sep 2008 11:32am
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Tim_NZ



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It plugs into the injection pump supply line on the engine via a quick connect coupling. It works as a suction pump and bleeds the fuel by sucking it through the filter, up to the engine, through the tool, and then returns it back to the tank through the fuel return line.

Cheers,

Tim
Post #3705 9th Sep 2008 12:08pm
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CapeLandy



Member Since: 21 Jul 2008
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does that mean the outlet of the pump also has a quick coupler into the return line? Puma 110 - gone
Series III 1973 - going strong
Post #3706 9th Sep 2008 12:18pm
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Tim_NZ



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Australia 
Hi CapeLandy, here's the instructions out of the "book":

http://www.defender2.co.uk/gallery/albums/...ing%20.zip

Cheers,

Tim
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dm_td5



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Australia 2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Zermatt Silver
Thanks Tim, the down side to the reply you got is three letters - SPX - in my experience this spells something twice the price of Snap-On tools in Australia Evil or Very Mad

I suspect that this must be a standard TDCi component, so there's probably a generic one on the market. 110 2.4TDCi
110 300Tdi

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Post #3708 9th Sep 2008 1:38pm
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CapeLandy



Member Since: 21 Jul 2008
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South Africa 
Thanks Tim

Just got hold of two local dealers who said "huh?" when I asked for the price and availability of the tool.

Called Landrover South Africa for their responce - still waiting for a call back. Will let you know of the answere I get - could be an interesting one Wink

I mean, how can a dealer not keep this tool for the public to buy. Imagine getting stuck in the middle of the Okovango Delta and no way of getting her started after changing the filter because you got a bad load of fuel from a remote garage selling fuel out of coke bottles. Rolling Eyes


Cheers
James Puma 110 - gone
Series III 1973 - going strong
Post #3710 9th Sep 2008 3:32pm
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