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| adseybear Member Since: 08 Oct 2009 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 260  
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What mileage?
Im guessing that if the mileage is so that your gbox needs some work, then yes youd be advised to replace the flywheel too. You can check how much play there is, im sure someone will be along shortly and advise whats acceptable, but I remember a quote from one of the tuning companies: " If your having the clutch done, I think it's false ecomony to not do the dual mass flywheel at the same time. Especially if the mileage is 50,000 plus." 2003 Defender 90 Td5 CSW Belize Green - "Betty" 1958 Series IIA 109 Station Wagon - "Randolph" - Awaiting Restoration 2019 Jeep Wrangler JL Rubicon - SOLD 2006 Volvo V70 D5 - Ocean Race Edition, SOLD 2003 VW Passat Estate 1.9TDI - SOLD 2008 BMW 320D M Sport Estate - SOLD 2001 Defender 90 Td5 Hard Top - SOLD |
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15th Jun 2013 1:45pm |
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| bob neville Member Since: 30 Apr 2009 Location: Marbella Posts: 3247  
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Just come back from picking my TD5 up from the garage after swivel/bearing work and we were discussing this exact topic.
It looks like the DMF on mine is on the way out (chattering and stalling in low box). I will get the DMF and clutch done at the same time. They said that if somebody asks for a clutch replacement on a TD5 they advise doing the DMF as well, basically the extra cost is the DMF itself. They had a TD5 Disco that had only the clutch done and a short time afterwards it was back for a DMF, that starts to get very expensive with the labour costs. Bob 2015 Jaguar XE240 R Sport - goes like ....... !! 2013 Defender 90 CSW - sold 2009 Defender 110 Double Cab - sold 2001 TD5 90 CSW - offroad project - sold to a forum member 2011 Porsche Boxster - for the sunny days ! |
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15th Jun 2013 1:56pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16929  
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In general it's a false economy not to. My Disco2 had its first new clutch at 130k miles, when removed the clutch was fine but the DMF was not - well worn. Remember the clutch only wears when you use it, the DMF is wearing all the time the vehicle's in motion.
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15th Jun 2013 2:38pm |
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| barbel jim Member Since: 12 Dec 2012 Location: Northants Posts: 1412 
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So if your replacing the DMF, do you not also swap it for a solid one ??? Not there yet (fingers crossed) just intrigued for when I am
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15th Jun 2013 2:43pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16929
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It was always my intention to do that, but there are many reports of drivability issues with solids. Equally of course there are many people who've done it and are delighted. I'd really want to drive one first.
My main complaint with the Td5 set up (apart from the awful R380 box) is it tendency to develop clutch judder. |
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15th Jun 2013 3:19pm |
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| Macpaul Member Since: 26 Mar 2013 Location: SW Surrey Posts: 439 
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My local LR indy place (Keith Gott, Alton) said they had a few solid ones made but were so snatchy they binned them. I had my clutch and dual mass flywheel replaced a few months ago (simply because the spigot bush was squealing -'while we're there Sir') and it was appreciably smoother on the gearchanges afterwards. |
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15th Jun 2013 4:43pm |
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| bob neville Member Since: 30 Apr 2009 Location: Marbella Posts: 3247
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Mines now all booked in for the end of July to have DMF, clutch, spigot bush and release bearing done
Rear crank seal will be done if needed as well - most expensive bit of that is the new engine oil
Total cost from my friendly indy for everything apart from the crank seal was less then LR quoted just for the parts ex VAT 
Valeo dmf and clutch being used and looking forward to getting rid of the squeal from the spigot bush
Bob 2015 Jaguar XE240 R Sport - goes like ....... !! 2013 Defender 90 CSW - sold 2009 Defender 110 Double Cab - sold 2001 TD5 90 CSW - offroad project - sold to a forum member 2011 Porsche Boxster - for the sunny days ! |
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18th Jun 2013 7:38pm |
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| amondeggs Member Since: 06 Mar 2011 Location: Telford Posts: 452 
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Hope it all goes well Bob,
Ive just done mine on the drive, Found that gearbox had given up after the 200000 miles that is had covered so decided to have a go myself! Firstly borrowed and engine crane  Click image to enlarge I thought that this would be easier than getting the engine out removed floor, exhaust, crossmember, props, door, bonnet, starter motor and steering wheel used the crane to gently lower the gearbox and transfer box out in one Click image to enlarge Luckily all bolts were kind to me and came out nicely Click image to enlarge Got the gearbox onto drive (with very kind help of Bodsy) and discovered that someone in the past had left a cloth inside the bell housing !! Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Used a pressure washer to clean the transferbox off before splitting it from gearbox Click image to enlarge Purchased a good second hand box from Porny, thanks to him for that
Put my old transferbox onto new gearbox, Fitted new Valeo fly wheel, spigot bush and Valeo Clutch along with new clutch release bearing, made a wooden support to help to align the gearbox to engine Click image to enlarge I used a length of threaded bar cut into sections to align the bolt holes and act as rails to ensure the box went in first time. All seams well with the car now, took it down to Slindon off road site with the Disco3Club bunch on their Hampshire Spectacular event (in this month LRO mag) Hoping the gearbox will cover another 200000 as the last one did  |
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18th Jun 2013 8:32pm |
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| bob neville Member Since: 30 Apr 2009 Location: Marbella Posts: 3247
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Excellent job and pictures
I must admit I was thinking of doing it myself but the guy who works for me, who is an LR fanatic, is in the middle of a 200tdi 110 chassis swap so he, and his engine crane !, are busy until the end of the year. I was going to do the same as you, drop the gearbox and work from there - it has to be easier than engine out. How long did it take you to do it ? Bob 2015 Jaguar XE240 R Sport - goes like ....... !! 2013 Defender 90 CSW - sold 2009 Defender 110 Double Cab - sold 2001 TD5 90 CSW - offroad project - sold to a forum member 2011 Porsche Boxster - for the sunny days ! |
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18th Jun 2013 8:43pm |
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| diesel_jim Member Since: 13 Oct 2008 Location: hiding Posts: 6043 
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Good job there!
Although if I was just doing the clutch, i'd probably go engine out. I mentioned in another thread, you can leave most of the electrical loom connected to a Td5 and "lift & turn" it enough to get into the bellhousing. (gotta take the radiator out first though) |
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18th Jun 2013 8:45pm |
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| amondeggs Member Since: 06 Mar 2011 Location: Telford Posts: 452
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Cheers both,
Bob most of the time was stripping it all down, which I did on my own over a number of evening's and a weekend. I suppose if you really put your mind to it and had all parts to hand it could easily be done over a weekend. All in all from start to finish it probably took me a couple of weeks. But I took my time, pushing the car back into the garage each night and then pulling it out again. I enjoyed it all tbh and if I ever need to would do it again |
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18th Jun 2013 9:02pm |
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| amondeggs Member Since: 06 Mar 2011 Location: Telford Posts: 452
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I actually found the clutch plate to be almost as new and the flywheel fine too but thought while it was all stripped down for peace of mind I would fit new. Like I say hope it will run for years now
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18th Jun 2013 9:34pm |
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| stevetd5 Member Since: 15 Aug 2007 Location: Adelaide Posts: 37  
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Great article it's always to see major jobs successfully completed
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4th Sep 2013 12:59pm |
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| MadTom Member Since: 10 Sep 2013 Location: Olomouc Posts: 581  
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Nice pictures. My first impression was - how the hell you are going to remove engine with the engine hoist this way.
But to the DMF - I have seen a Def 110 with solid flywheel and it was working, but in idle, there were big vibrations. My first question to the owner was - what is broken with the car. The difference to my Disco2 was so big. And after short time, solid flywheel was changed back to DMF. The idea for solid flywheel in that car started during clutch colaps aproximately 1000km from home, during a trip. But the vibrations were so bad, that the bullet proof flywheel cannot overdue it. |
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