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| Allan Member Since: 09 Sep 2009 Location: Perth Posts: 166   
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The wife drove the SVX home from work today to have me listen to the death rattle of another Puma clutch. This is the second time in 19000km. The first time it was fitted with a modified version. I think possibly from a noddy type car. Can Land Rover/Ford not build a clutch. My question is, has their been a further clutch update, or do I have to put up with this crap until I weaken and sell it?
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29th Jun 2010 4:17pm |
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| bob neville Member Since: 30 Apr 2009 Location: Marbella Posts: 3247  
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Apparently there is but ....
Mine had it fitted last week. Picked vehicle up, clutch bites about 1/4 " off the floor and it was like an on/off switch. Back in dealer, they have changed the slave cylinder, gearbox out to do the work, no better. They have just changed the master cylinder and I am waiting to here if that has resolved the issue. Not a lot left to change so it had better be OK. Bob |
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29th Jun 2010 4:41pm |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5024  
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Im having my third fitted tomorrow
Same deal - my car has only done 14k (miles) total! 1st clutch 2nd - Modified Version 3rd - Restricted revised version tomorrow. Here is hoping. My question to LR was what damage is the rattle doing...or has done - i dont know, nor did they although they did make some personal assurances which would not be fair to repeat Mike |
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29th Jun 2010 5:16pm |
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| bob neville Member Since: 30 Apr 2009 Location: Marbella Posts: 3247
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Good luck Mike - that is the one I have had fitted.
Master cylinder did not resolve the issue - basically the vehicle is undriveable. I will find out Wednesday what the next steps are - a revised, revised restricted version ? Bob |
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29th Jun 2010 5:23pm |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5024
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I think you will recall in one of my other posts - My clutch was at the dealers some weeks ago - its just been getting a time to get it in. mine certainly isnt undrivable, but it certainly makes some noise in various conditions when worked and has some selection issues seperately. The new selector solved the selection rattle (again!) BTW the updated clutch has to be released by warranty - so if yours wasnt you didnt get it...it took a week and proof to get them to approve it some months ago. Mike |
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29th Jun 2010 5:27pm |
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| Robofarmer Member Since: 17 Mar 2010 Location: cheshire Posts: 88 
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On my way down the main rd this morning i went for fifth gear and it would not go in! or 6th or 4th or 3rd!!! . pulled over and turn engine off and started in gear. drove half a mile and it sounded like world war three was kick,n off in the gear box! . has anybody had the same? This is my first gear box problem and it has done 38k.. . LR have taken it away to sort under warranty but as i am due to drive across france , switzeland and into italy in six wks time i,m not happy
  . 2008 110 County utility
ex 1988 defender 90 ,td ex 1970 series III |
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29th Jun 2010 6:29pm |
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| mrwoo Member Since: 03 Jan 2008 Location: Cheshire Posts: 280 
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It could be a gear selector issue see here - 
http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic3324.html?highlight=selector Technical Service Bulletin No.LTB00211 30 April 2009 Subject/Concern: Transmission Stuck in Gear, Selector Shaft Detents Now Available Models: Defender (LD) 2.4 Puma Diesel 2.4 Puma Diesel VIN-range: 7A732615 Onwards Markets: All Section: 308-03 Summary: This Technical Bulletin is to advise that the transmission selector shaft detents are now available as a serviceable part. Therefore it is no longer necessary to replace the complete transmission assembly for concerns related to the transmission selector shaft detents (transmission stuck in gear). Should it become necessary to replace the transmission selector shaft detents, refer to the new procedure detailed in Global Technical Reference GTR Workshop Manual, section 308-03. Parts Required: Description Part Number Quantity Transmission Detent Kit LR017294 1 Labour Time: Operation Description Operation No. Time Selector Shaft Detents renew 37.16.75 4.9 hours 1964 Series IIA SWB Truck Cab - gone 1981 Series III SWB Hardtop - gone 1982 Series III SWB Hardtop - gone 1997 300Tdi Defender 90 Hardtop - gone 1983 Series III SWB Station Wagon - gone 1979 Series III SWB Station Wagon - gone 2007 90 CSW - gone 2010 USW XS - gone 2010 110 USW - gone 1959 Series II Truck Cab 1984 Series III CSW 2004 TD5 90 CSW |
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29th Jun 2010 6:42pm |
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| Robofarmer Member Since: 17 Mar 2010 Location: cheshire Posts: 88
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[quote="mrwoo"]
It could be a gear selector issue see here -
http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic3324.html?highlight=selector Technical Service Bulletin No.LTB00211 30 April 2009 Subject/Concern: Transmission Stuck in Gear, Selector Shaft Detents Now Available Models: Defender (LD) 2.4 Puma Diesel 2.4 Puma Diesel VIN-range: 7A732615 Onwards Markets: All Section: 308-03 Summary: This Technical Bulletin is to advise that the transmission selector shaft detents are now available as a serviceable part. Therefore it is no longer necessary to replace the complete transmission assembly for concerns related to the transmission selector shaft detents (transmission stuck in gear). Should it become necessary to replace the transmission selector shaft detents, refer to the new procedure detailed in Global Technical Reference GTR Workshop Manual, section 308-03. Thanks for that info mr woo i,ll take alook ! 2008 110 County utility
ex 1988 defender 90 ,td ex 1970 series III |
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29th Jun 2010 6:50pm |
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| Higgers Member Since: 08 Apr 2009 Location: Cheshire Posts: 666 
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Mine was exactly the same, on or off with the clutch. Then did the Pot Noodle Challenge which was only light off roading, occasionally ticking along on anti stall. Now its exactly the same as before, ie rattly. |
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29th Jun 2010 8:46pm |
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| bob neville Member Since: 30 Apr 2009 Location: Marbella Posts: 3247
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Mike
I have had no confirmation as to exactly what version has been fitted but the dealer did say it was different to the version 2 I had fitted a couple of months ago, maybe there is a version 2.5 
There was a mod to some of the pipework that also had to be done with the new clutch, which they did Friday when they were not happy with the clutch operation. What they can't work out is why there is no adjustment at all - so I will have to wait to see what the resolution is. They were trying to resolve the very notchy gear change, which the v2 did for a while, and that is why they went for a later version of the clutch. The new one did make changes up a lot better, provided you could get used to the on/off aspect, but there was no way you could change down through the box - I could not select any lower gear without stopping. Bob Bob |
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29th Jun 2010 9:16pm |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5024
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The clutch should bite at a normal point not a 1/4 down.
The change was to replace some small part - so not the major change v2 was. I was told, but have forgotten - they will be keeping it if the clutch points arent the same - I dont expect silky gear changes though. I do wonder if there is something up with the gearboxes - i know this shouldnt be a factor, but it makes you wonder - how many times do you change a clutch before considering something else is causing the faults. (im not talking mine now) Mike |
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29th Jun 2010 10:45pm |
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| Allan Member Since: 09 Sep 2009 Location: Perth Posts: 166
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I think my clutch rattle started a couple of months ago. I went for a trip down south, about 200km non stop in warm conditions, slowed to 50 km in the town and stopped to turn into shops for booze. When I turned into the drive it seemed to chatter like a bag of spanners. has done this a few times since but now very obvious rattle as it did when the first clutch sh.t its self. Does anyone know if its the pressure plate or the driven plate centre springs that go?
Allan |
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30th Jun 2010 1:28am |
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| MK Member Since: 28 Aug 2008 Location: Santiago Posts: 2266  
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Well, tomorrow I`m visiting the stealer to check the clutch (supposed to be V2). After reading this thread I`m confused. Is there any newer bulletin regarding the clutch plate?
thanks MK Puma 110" SW ............................................................. Earth first. Other planets later |
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30th Jun 2010 3:10am |
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| bob neville Member Since: 30 Apr 2009 Location: Marbella Posts: 3247
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MK I will try and explain what my dealer has just told me. There are three versions of clutches , the original, the upgraded (v2) and the restricted/revised that Mike is having fitted - this is not on general release from what I was told. The problem my vehicle has is that with it's second revised v2 the clutch bites at about 1/4" off the floor. It has had a new slave cylinder and new master cylinder plus revised pipework. After the new master was fitted last night everything appeared to be fixed, the same as at the weekend. However, after being parked overnight the clutch bite position returned to 1/4" off the floor. The dealer agrees that the vehicle is undriveable and the problem is now with the LR technical team. Bob |
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30th Jun 2010 12:43pm |
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