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110 John



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Constant Horn
Yesterday morn got up and went to start the 110 and battery was well flat put my battery on charge still in the vehicle and left it 5 hours or so and needed to use the 110 to pop out so placed the charger on engine start boost and it fired up ok, popped out and on my return put the battery back on charge forgetting it was selected for boost start , anyway some 5 or 6 hours later it clicked that i had left it in boost start went out and removed it from charge there was a smell in the 110 like a hot smell the battery was just hardly warm so 2 hours after removing the charger the horn sounded continuously I tried the fobs indicators flashed off and opened the doors but horn kept going so I started the 110 engine and the horn stopped breifly and then started the continuous horn again had to remove the alarm fuse from under the seat to stop it the normal horn fuse removed had no effect spoke to a mechanic he say likely spiked the ecu or alarm ecu the 10 AS he said disconnect the battery for 5 to 10 mins to see if it resets, the horn wasnt intermittent alarm sound but continuous question is Im thinking with the charger being on boost start for 5 to 6 hours I done some damage melted wires maybe and shorting out or popped the 10as Im going out to have a go soon but any ideas or help would be appreciated fobs opening and closing doors ok and immobiliser is fine

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jim4244



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I have the horn constantly, which is something to do with being attracted to tall large chested blondes...........not sure what the solution is! Whistle

Jim
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K9F



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jim4244 wrote:
I have the horn constantly, which is something to do with being attracted to tall large chested blokes...........not sure what the solution is! Whistle Jim


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Personally I wouldn't initially overcomplicate your issue. If you have access to a multimeter you could check out the horn circuit.... the horn is fed via a 100 amp megafuse Link 1 to a 20 amp fuse (fuse3) through the column switch to the horn. As a guess your column switch would perhaps be the weak link. Look there first before heading into more difficult territory would be my advice, it may be a simple fix.

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110 John



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I removed the normal horn fuse that didnt stop the horn removed the alarm fuse and that stopped it making me think its an alarm issue
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The horn is also fed via a header and the relay sounder alarm R200 via fuse 27 which is rated at 10 amps. This is back fed via the alarm ECU. Try pulling fuse 27 and see if the horn still activates constantly. If it does this may be an indication the fault lies within the ECU and you will need specialist diagnostics I'm afraid. If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!!


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110 John



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Thanks ill give that a try
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110 John



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Removed fuse 27 and no horn after replacing the 15 amp alarm fuse under the seat which is the one I removed to kill the horn I replaced the 10 amp 27 fuse still no horn dont know if its reset itself ? initially when removing the alarm fuse last night the BBUS sounded had to remove the BBUS as it was late last night when this started to happen and it soon died havent replaced the BBUS as yet
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At least you're a little closer. With a little luck it may possibly as you stated reset itself. If not you have a greater indication of where the issue lies. Fingers crossed. I would pull the fuses and possibly disconnect the battery before refitting the BBUS so you don't reintroduce any gremlins when reconnecting up.

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110 John



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Ive done the normal checks on the alarm open door armed alarm and horn beeps twice so seems the alarm is ok havent plugged in the BBUS as yet but noticed the BBUS terminals have a bit green corrosion on the pins sprayed with electrical contact cleaner but neighbours said they noticed a smell of burning when the horn was sounding wonder if the charger being on car start boost for 5 or 6 hours has done any damage to wiring (melted) thoughts please
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Put it all back together and start her up. That's what fuses are for. We could theorise all day what may or may not be wrong but the proof will be in the pudding.
The smell they thought they could smell could have been anything from a woodburner to someone's old crusty undercarackers.
Give it a whirl. The smell of electrical death is very distinctive and if something has burnt out that they could smell from a distance it will still be there albeit slight. Have a sniff about before firing her up once the batteries are reconnected and the ignition on but not running.

Thumbs Up If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

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110 John



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The other thing Ive tried is the horn thats working fine no smell of burning but did smell a bit myself last night ill put it all back together and arm the alarm and see
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^^^^

Good plan. Then ignition for a couple of minutes then fire her up would be my idea of a plan! Thumbs Up If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

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jim4244 wrote:
I have the horn constantly, which is something to do with being attracted to tall large chested blondes...........not sure what the solution is! Whistle

Jim

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110 John



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The green crystalised corrosion on the BBUS pins looks like a leaking internal battery is that possible that Ive fried the internal battery but its all reconnected again alarm armed lets see
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Yes.....when I say tall big chested blonde it does actually have to be female....

That photo has put me right off my bacon sarnie! lol

Jim
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