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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Santorini Black
TYRE SIZES for DEFENDER 110
Hi All,

I'm having to buy a set of tyres for my 2010my Defender 110. The suspension is standard although it does have a X-Engineerings "X-DeFlex" and "X-Springs with 1cm Adaptor Rings". I haven't altered the steering locks or anything else to do with the steering/suspension.

I am running 235/85r16 Goodyear Wranglers and over the weekend in the snow, came off the road at just 10mph going around a bend. It scared the living Censored out of me and my fiancé. In 2 seconds of slow motion I think I had worked out the damage Big Cry the tree was going to cause, but thank god the tyres bit with 12inches to go Thud !!

I'm looking at putting a set of BFG M/T's on, but am unsure on the best size to go for: 235/85, 255/70, 265/75, 285/75 or 285/85. Always been brought up on tall/narrow for tractors, but see more Floatations now. I know there''s a big difference in prices, but its nothing compared to the front of the 110.

Can anyone please help and give me the pros/cons?

Thanks
Post #204330 22nd Jan 2013 2:43pm
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jst



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personally i am not a fan of big ie wide tyres. they dont bite down enough for the terrain i am likely to encounter. big and wide for bogs works, but i dont tend to drive bogs much in the 110.

if you want to stick with std gearing then 235.85s get my vote

if you want taller then 255.85s get my vote.

in your example on the snow you would of prob found BFG ATs would work better than the BFG MTs

i run BFG ATs 235.85 for everyday and BFG MTs (255.85) for more serious stuff. Cheers

James
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Post #204354 22nd Jan 2013 4:05pm
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Didn't know there were 255/85's.

Thanks for that.
Post #204364 22nd Jan 2013 4:49pm
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Have been running 255/85/16 BFG M/T for several years. Being 33" tall gives good ground clearance under diffs and not too wide. Thumbs Up


Brendan
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Re: TYRE SIZES for DEFENDER 110
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I am running 235/85r16 Goodyear Wranglers and over the weekend in the snow, came off the road at just 10mph going around a bend. It scared the living Censored out of me and my fiancé. In 2 seconds of slow motion I think I had worked out the damage Big Cry the tree was going to cause, but thank god the tyres bit with 12inches to go :

Know that feeling only to well on Friday
Got the same tyres I think are yours the MT/Rs

Yep half way up the hill to our house due to abandoned cars I had to stop at which point it did a 180 ' spin
So I just carried on the way I was pointing to the other way in


Have a look in my post asking best wheel and tyre combo
I'm still confused Whistle It's good to be back from the dark side


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So it's not my driving skills then?? At least thats what I will be telling the other half.........its Landrover Banging Head !!

Thanks, will def have a look
Post #204381 22nd Jan 2013 5:59pm
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My previous TD5 110 had 265/75/16 BFG mudterrain's on, on compacted snow and ice I found they slipped a lot and struggled for grip, virgin snow they were good.

On my new 110 I have 7.5-16 Michelin lattidute cross tyres, they perform very well on compacted snow and ice and are also good in virgin snow.

Sometimes the kit that looks the part is'nt always the best for the job.
Post #204673 23rd Jan 2013 1:29pm
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I run 285/75-16 MFG KM2s on the Puma DC and they are pretty good in just about all conditions. By preference I would probably have bought 265/75s, except that I have a full set of Pewags for the 285s (which won't fit 265s) and from my point of view it made sense to stick with the bigger tyre. I honestly don't think that there is any significant perfomance advantage with the extra 20mm width though!

On one of my other Landrovers I run 7.50 x 16 Michelin XCLs which are on the whole better in snow on the road than the 285 KM2s, simply because they cut down to the hard surface below that bit better. If however there is ice under the snow, then the 285s win since they can build up a bigger "snow bank" in front when stopping (don't forget that you'll stop quicker in snow if you don't have ABS). I have a set of Rudd chains for the 7.50s, and to be honest with chains fitted the preformance of either tyre is so good that it really makes no difference (but it is a pain fitting and removing the chains).

For normal road use including snow on tarmac, and snow on ice, I honestly don't think you'll find any significant difference between 255/85 and 265/75 BFG KM2s, both will be better than your current tyre. The 255/85 will give you 20mm more clearance under the diff, which isn't likely to be significant.
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I wouldn't go bigger than 265/75, else the landy starts feeling sluggish and turning circle is compromised. --
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Thanks Blackwolf.

That was really helpful and I think it has helped me decide now.

Cheers Bow down
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standard fit contis 235's are great
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T1G UP wrote:
standard fit contis 235's are great


they certainly are. Cheers

James
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Post #204722 23rd Jan 2013 3:12pm
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You will not get 100% agreement on subjects such as what is the best tyres for these conditions etc.

Some people say BFG M/T are good in snow, some people will argue they are rubbish in snow.

Which side is right?

Big problem is the only real information you get is say size of tyre.

No information about age of tyres. The older the tyre the stiffer the tyre.

No information of the actual temperature, the colder the temperature again the stiffer the tyre so it does not deform as much to give you greater contact area.

Depth of tread?

Type of snow?


Hate to mention it but driving skills? In the ice covered ruts where all the other drivers have been or straddling the ruts so on less smooth ice. High revs/high speed/rapid turning of steering wheel?

So it is not so straight forward to decide who is right when someone says these tyres are brilliant and someone else says the same tyres are complete rubbish!


Brendan
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Hi Brendan,

Can't argue with that Bow down . All very true. Also depends upon how well the vehicle is set up, etc...

I know I will probably be unimpressed with my choice in some circumstances, but on the whole and for the terrain I drive on/in I hope I've made the right choice with Bfg M/T 265/75's. I also do a pretty big mileage and the wear rate was also taken into consideration.

No doubt I will hear arguments for and against my choice, but it will all be useful knowledge.

The only time we ever get any decent comparisons is by these type of forums. The publications seem to tell us they're doing definitive tests, but then they mess up with their limited choices and use tyres that shouldn't be compared with each other. Whats the point of doing a test in comparing a 235/85r16 Cooper ST Max with a 265/75/r16 Bfg M/T, ETC.....

Everyones opinion is generally good for various reasons as long as they are not connected to a manufacturer.

Cheers

Steve
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I do think it is widely acepted that a narrow tyre is better in snow and ice conditions than a wide tyre except where the snow is very deep and you need the flotation benefit of a wide tyre. I think in the uk the snow is very unlikely to be of a depth where a wide tyre is beneficial. This is why rally drivers use narrow tyres in snow especialy place like Sweeden and Norway.

IF you want to plough through 1m depth of virgin snow obviuosly the wider the better. Thumbs Up
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