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bpman

Member Since: 21 May 2008
Location: Oslo
Posts: 8069

2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SVX Station Wagon Santorini Black

so no changes to LED headlights ..

there is an advert in this months LRM stating HID AND LED headlamps musy have wahsers and self levelling

24th Dec 2011 8:36am

BigRuss

Member Since: 15 May 2010
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 2785

2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Santorini Black

bpman wrote:
so no changes to LED headlights .. there is an advert in this months LRM stating HID AND LED headlamps musy have wahsers and self levelling

as all/most now have the headlight adjustment knob in the centre console, does that count? Russell
2011MY 110 XS USW Black

24th Dec 2011 11:55am

Birdy

Member Since: 07 Oct 2011
Location: CÃ´te d'Azur
Posts: 853

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Santorini Black

There’s pressure within the trade to increase the interval between MOT’s to two years, studies are already being made to see whether or not it’s feasible…

BUT, there’ll be absolutely no “discretion” allowed on the part of the testers. The failure pattern, advisories etc. are already carefully monitored by VOSA, I know a tester who’s been cautioned for being below the “average” of failing cars because of faulty bulbs:

“But if it’s a simple bulb blown, we change it (mind you, one wonders at a customer who didn’t at least check the lights before taking his car for an MOT)”

“Absolutely out of order, you must fail the vehicle, then change the bulb, then re-test”

“If we did that, we’d have no more customers”

“Tough”

Even sillier, the emphasis is very much going to be on emission levels. Like it or not, NO politician who wants to stay in office is gonna go against the tree-huggers…

Peter

24th Dec 2011 4:15pm

Fifth Horseman

Member Since: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Lanarkshire
Posts: 322

Quote:
there is an advert in this months LRM stating HID AND LED headlamps must have wahsers and self levelling

Not "quite" correct it seems, 2012 MOT Inspection Manual, Part 1.7 (Headlamps) states:

Vehicles equipped with High Intensity Discharge (HID) or LED dipped beam headlamps may be fitted with headlamp washers and a suspension or
headlamp self levelling system.

Where such systems are fitted, they must work; however, it is accepted that it may not be possible to readily determine the functioning of self levelling systems. In such cases, the benefit of the doubt must be given.

Headlamp washers may work in conjunction with the windscreen washers (when the dipped beam headlamps are switched on) or by a separate switch.

24th Dec 2011 11:48pm

T1G UP

Member Since: 08 Dec 2009
Location: Bath
Posts: 3101

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Orkney Grey

Fifth Horseman wrote:
Quote:
there is an advert in this months LRM stating HID AND LED headlamps must have wahsers and self levelling

Not "quite" correct it seems, 2012 MOT Inspection Manual, Part 1.7 (Headlamps) states:

Vehicles equipped with High Intensity Discharge (HID) or LED dipped beam headlamps may be fitted with headlamp washers and a suspension or
headlamp self levelling system.

Where such systems are fitted, they must work; however, it is accepted that it may not be possible to readily determine the functioning of self levelling systems. In such cases, the benefit of the doubt must be given.

Headlamp washers may work in conjunction with the windscreen washers (when the dipped beam headlamps are switched on) or by a separate switch.

ummm, print that off and keep in the car?!

24th Dec 2011 11:51pm

BigRuss

Member Since: 15 May 2010
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 2785

Fifth Horseman wrote:
Quote:
there is an advert in this months LRM stating HID AND LED headlamps must have wahsers and self levelling

Not "quite" correct it seems, 2012 MOT Inspection Manual, Part 1.7 (Headlamps) states:

Vehicles equipped with High Intensity Discharge (HID) or LED dipped beam headlamps may be fitted with headlamp washers and a suspension or
headlamp self levelling system.

Where such systems are fitted, they must work; however, it is accepted that it may not be possible to readily determine the functioning of self levelling systems. In such cases, the benefit of the doubt must be given.

Headlamp washers may work in conjunction with the windscreen washers (when the dipped beam headlamps are switched on) or by a separate switch.

Interesting Russell
2011MY 110 XS USW Black

25th Dec 2011 12:02am

bpman

Member Since: 21 May 2008
Location: Oslo
Posts: 8069

Fifth Horseman wrote:
Quote:
there is an advert in this months LRM stating HID AND LED headlamps must have wahsers and self levelling

Not "quite" correct it seems, 2012 MOT Inspection Manual, Part 1.7 (Headlamps) states:

Vehicles equipped with High Intensity Discharge (HID) or LED dipped beam headlamps may be fitted with headlamp washers and a suspension or
headlamp self levelling system.

Where such systems are fitted, they must work; however, it is accepted that it may not be possible to readily determine the functioning of self levelling systems. In such cases, the benefit of the doubt must be given.

Headlamp washers may work in conjunction with the windscreen washers (when the dipped beam headlamps are switched on) or by a separate switch.

so could these rules be changed at any time or are the 2012 MOT rules now fixed ?

25th Dec 2011 9:24am

Fifth Horseman

Member Since: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Lanarkshire
Posts: 322

Presumably fixed, the tester manual is listed as "proposed" but is described as 4th edition with an ISBN number.
All of the MOT manuals are to be found here: http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/publications/ma...guides.htm

There do seem to be some ambiguities especially with regards to headlamps. IIRC Construction and Use (Type approval) regulations state that HID and possibly LED headlamps shall have washers and self levelling fitted, whereas the MOT handbook says may.

However http://www2.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/hidheadlamps.html states

Quote:
Therefore a HID headlamp unit sold in the after market should:

1. be type approved to ECE Regulation 98 as a component.

2. when fitted to the vehicle should enable ECE Regulation 48 to be complied with (although no government inspection will take place).

3. Comply with RVLR as far as "use" is concerned.

In practice this means:

1. The headlamp unit (outer lens, reflector, bulb) shall be type approved to ECE 98 and be "e-marked" to demonstrate this. That can only be done by the headlamp supplier - Hella, Valeo etc. who must test the headlamp in an independent laboratory.

2. Once fitted to the vehicle it must have headlamp cleaning and self-levelling (which can be for the headlamp or can be in the vehicle suspension - some expensive estate cars have "self-levelling suspension" and that is adequate). Also the dipped beam must stay on with the main beam.

3. The headlamp must be maintained in good working order, kept clean, and aligned/adjusted correctly like any other headlamp.

Under the Road Traffic Act 1988 it is an offence to supply, fit or use vehicle parts which are not legal.

In summary it is not permitted to convert an existing halogen headlamp unit for use with HID bulbs. The entire headlamp unit must be replaced with one designed and approved for use with HID bulbs and it must be installed in accordance with the rules stated above.

25th Dec 2011 11:06am

Birdy

Member Since: 07 Oct 2011
Location: CÃ´te d'Azur
Posts: 853

“EU legislation… 13 pin trailer sockets are to be electrically tested but 7 pin ones only checked for secure fitting”

Less EU legislation and more that 13-pin caravanners are likely to have 240V equipment installed. Makes sense to check earth returns 11 and 13.

Peter

25th Dec 2011 2:00pm

Fifth Horseman

Member Since: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Lanarkshire
Posts: 322

@Birdy - don't see the relevance to whether the towed trailer, caravan, horse box or whatever is fitted for 240v or not. The 13 pin socket is for 12vdc circuits only. Pins 11 and 13 are the 12v earths for fridge and battery charging respectively.

The MOT check for the 13 pin trailer socket only covers the lighting circuits.

Quote:
On vehicles fitted with a trailer 13 pin Euro- socket, use an approved device to check that the socket is wired to correctly operate the trailer:
 Position lamps
 Stop lamps
 Direction indicators
 Rear fog lamp

Shame they aren't testing the functioning of 7 pin sockets as well.

25th Dec 2011 2:32pm

Birdy

Member Since: 07 Oct 2011
Location: CÃ´te d'Azur
Posts: 853

I didn’t realise it was just the lighting circuits to be checked: we’ve all experienced the strange things happening to our trailer’s lights when there’s a rusted earth contact - brake lights flashing instead of indicators etc. - but they’re only 12V circuits. I wondered the consequences of 240V equipment running off an inverter being poorly earthed.

Peter

25th Dec 2011 10:50pm

dorsetsmith

Member Since: 30 Oct 2011
Location: South West
Posts: 4554

It would seem not clear DE-CAt will resolt in MOT failer from 2012

matthew

26th Dec 2011 2:06pm

JWL

Member Since: 26 Oct 2011
Location: Hereford
Posts: 3443

They've probably left out 7pin sockets out bcause there was a change to the "reccomended" note the use of that word, towards the end of the 90's. All the wiring for the 7pin stuff in not set in stone, it only follows guides, as long as it works on your trailer then that's all that matters. Don't you remember years ago picking up a borrowed trailer and just giving up using the lights on the thing

26th Dec 2011 2:29pm

K9F

Member Since: 12 Nov 2009
Location: Bournemouth
Posts: 9610

2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey

dorsetsmith wrote:
It would seem not clear DE-CAt will resolt in MOT failer from 2012 matthew

Rubbish! It is crystal clear! If your Landy runs on petrol you're stuffed! Diesel not being 'petrol ignition sparked' you're ok!

I feel that the issue of cats is going to run and run despite it being quite clear!

It has been covered at least twice before in some detail. Look at the link below and follow the link in my first post on this thread to the original thread....

http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic9379.html?highlight=decat If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!!

26th Dec 2011 4:31pm

dorsetsmith

Member Since: 30 Oct 2011
Location: South West
Posts: 4554

thanks for that im still confusd but time will tell

26th Dec 2011 6:06pm

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