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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4479  
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Don't really know how many will go for this Range Rover/Defender electric conversion as it is a bit on the expensive side.
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21st Dec 2022 3:04pm |
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| LR Nuts Member Since: 10 Aug 2022 Location: UK Posts: 828 
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seen this before. If I remember the Classic Range Rover is an import, from France???
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21st Dec 2022 3:14pm |
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| Ianh Member Since: 17 Sep 2018 Location: Essex Posts: 1758 
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At that starting price of £185k for just the conversion you are a master of understatement Spudfan 
I’m waiting to see how Magna’s eBeam and eDrive technology develops, my hope is that it’s cost effective and a version that can be used for our defenders becomes available. In essence it would be a front and rear axle swap. Remove engine, remove gearbox, remove transfer box, remove props, remove exhaust. Now you have plenty or room to choose where the batteries go and with all that weight gone you can fit a lot of batteries. I know it’s not that simple as you need the control units etc however I’m hoping companies that currently do engine swaps will be able to do it for £20-£30k all in and a diy parts only package is circa £15-£20k. It will take 5-10 years to get their and that’s if they get big volumes, but I genuinely think they have identified a pretty big market so you never know, and if they have then I expect competing companies will arise and price points will drop. https://www.motortrend.com/news/magna-ebeam-axle-ev-truck/ https://www.magna.com/company/newsroom/rel...ck-segment |
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21st Dec 2022 5:56pm |
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| OsloBlue Member Since: 14 Jul 2018 Location: Essex Posts: 822 
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I enquired (i wont say who but not this lot) recently and i think with all the questions i asked may have been on a blacklist as a timewaster.
£30k would barely get me to work (which has a charger but is broke half the time) and back. They were unable to confirm if lights/radio/air con would degrade that range, and stated they were still working on an Aircon solution. I recently asked my boss who has a tesla and with his energy bills its astronomical to charge at home. and he often pays for a fast charger elsewhere. I'm also stuck with the problem that the energy infrastructure in my area doesn't support charge points and "Probably won't until the next decade." In spite of this we have two power walls and solar, but these trickle charge and we will at least need another two - possibly another four in order to fully charge an EV. I'm on IG: https://www.instagram.com/osloblue42/ Current: TD5 '110 "Lucinda" Thread here: https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic62562.html  |
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21st Dec 2022 9:07pm |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3750
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Yes they do Lord-haggis, very very cheap rates but I’m with Bulb ………….. and Charge Place Scotland give me free charging for my Mini Cooper S E all around Stirlingshire except at their chargers in the local Co-op car park where it’s 25p/kWhr.
Regarding electric Defenders see this in thus week’s Auto Express - 2026 model year facelift and the option if an all electric Defender 90, 110 or 130 Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come 2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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21st Dec 2022 10:26pm |
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| Ads90 Member Since: 16 Jun 2008 Location: Cots-on-the-Wolds Posts: 800 
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Yep - I've been doing the calcs for my wife's next car - ev vs petrol, and based on a petrol car doing 40mpg vs an ev doing 3 miles per kWh, current fuel prices, cost of electric roughly equals the cost of petrol at 50p kWh. I.e. if you pay anything less than 50p kWh for your electric, you'll be saving money. I'm currently on a standard E7 tarrif with night time rate of 11p kWh, so would save about 15p for every mile driven. This equates to saving roughly £2K a year @ 12K miles per annum over petrol. Unfortunately that still isn't enough for us to justify the extra outlay for an ev, considering a lease or PCP for one with decent range would be in excess of £200/month more than what we were planning on spending. Things are changing month by month though, maybe by next summer those figures will all have changed - for better or worse, who knows - and that's also part of the problem when deciding! |
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22nd Dec 2022 12:08am |
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| kenzle8a Member Since: 12 Feb 2020 Location: None Posts: 1074
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We’re in a similar boat with my wife’s car, she does about 12k pa in her Octavia 4x4 tdi, it’s not financed but she can rack up 80 miles a day with ease so I’d like something with some head room when we go EV but the Skodas got plenty of life left in it and was bought outright,
I work from home and my mini which I’ve owned since new 19 years ago is eu4 petrol and is also owned out right so the costs of swapping that don’t make sense either. Ideally she wants something smaller that would do 350 miles on a charge. At this point I’d still feel silly getting rid of two cars that don’t need to be replaced. I don’t really like buying or selling cars unless it’s must. I’ve only sold when not finically practical or spares / repair. We have the Defender as we need a Defender or similar as we need to be able to tow 3.5 tonnes with the horse trailer. |
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22nd Dec 2022 1:13am |
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| camelman Member Since: 27 Feb 2013 Location: Peak District Posts: 3321
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As mentioned above, with the electricity price capped at roughly 35p/kwh and roughly 5miles per kwh in a tesla model 3, it is still much cheaper than running a diesel car at 40mpg, even 50mpg.
Get on an an e7 tariff or specialist ev tariff and there is no comparison. |
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22nd Dec 2022 10:05am |
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| Stacey007 Member Since: 25 Sep 2015 Location: Cheshire Posts: 3693
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I've been watching the deals for a while now.
Having just fitted a bank of solar and looking at different battery options ready for spring. Even the cheap EV deals from the Like of Octopus are reducing the hours of cheap electric... Any which way you turn to try and save they block the routes... My mate who is an electrician says more and more people are just buying battery walls, and moving onto low EV tariffs, charging the battery's at night and using the power in the day.... Good idea... Until the time you have on cheap power is being reduced.... So you can no longer charge the batteries cheaply. As for an electric 'old' defender I honestly do not know where the conversion prices are being made up from. We converted a beetle using a Hyper 9 and 5 tesla batteries, All the kit. BMS, Charger, plates, wiring, battery box, etc was around £12K it gives a range of around 100 miles and its quick... The same unit with the upgraded Hyper 9 would work in a series landrover and then you could add more batteries for range. With my old puma Defender I asked the Electric car company, and prices started at £70K ?? No idea where this price comes from. Even a working tesla model s could be had for £25K so why is it so much to convert... Anyway my fried is currently helping another guy fit a small tesla drive unit into a old Peugeot 205GTi. Once they figure out how to talk to this unit it will be around 270bhp (its all different being electric but that idea) and potentially this could then be built in a defender. |
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22nd Dec 2022 11:05am |
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| SJM2018 Member Since: 06 Jul 2018 Location: Bristol Posts: 296 
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I think it’s a combination of:
They only buy new parts, rather than crash damaged cars / parts from them; Significant overheads and staff costs; and They have more demand than time (I spoke to JE Engineering recently and they have at least 2 of the ecoboost conversions ongoing at all times, in addition to the V8 / other swaps). My preferred solution would be something like a crashed damaged Renault Zoe, with a few extra battery modules. 2011 CSW XS 90 |
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22nd Dec 2022 11:29am |
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| OsloBlue Member Since: 14 Jul 2018 Location: Essex Posts: 822
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Yes but the issue I have is the supply, which if the direct supply is compatible with an EV would take about 18 or so hours to charge (providing that we use nothing else in the house). The house had issues with supply as it was and you could switch off lights and outlets by switching others on. The power walls have negated this through trickle charging at night and solar in the day, but the problem remains that if I were to draw even more I would need additional power walls. I’m still skeptical about these power walls as with the charge/discharge cycle and heavy upfront cost(£10k each) means we’re not really saving anything on the night charging. And quite frankly if I were to buy say 4 pier walls that’s £40k I still haven’t got, plus I’m sure that the demand to charge these will still outstrip the supply and solar. I'm on IG: https://www.instagram.com/osloblue42/ Current: TD5 '110 "Lucinda" Thread here: https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic62562.html |
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22nd Dec 2022 2:01pm |
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| OsloBlue Member Since: 14 Jul 2018 Location: Essex Posts: 822
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I enquired about the eco boost conversions to skirt ULEZ and was told that they’re no longer available, but could do it if I was willing to wait - I asked how long the waiting list was and said we’ll get back to you. Not the company I asked about electric with but I know JE will be rediculous. I'm on IG: https://www.instagram.com/osloblue42/ Current: TD5 '110 "Lucinda" Thread here: https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic62562.html |
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22nd Dec 2022 2:03pm |
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| Cwe1941 Member Since: 08 Mar 2020 Location: Cheshire Posts: 32
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Does anyone know if DVLA would recognise a conversion for ULEZ or tax purposes?
Otherwise its an expensive exercise without many/any of the benefits... |
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23rd Oct 2023 10:25am |
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| markb110 Member Since: 22 May 2010 Location: Guildford Posts: 2520  
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I thought from a previous discussion that the DVLA would not recognise the conversion to EV.
Can’t remember why, probably the vehicle not being homologated by the manufacturer to be designed as a pure electric from the start. The ones you do see, based on the prices, mean that they are a rich man's toy. And I’m sure if you mentioned Land Rover and EV in the same sentence to an insurance broker they would put the phone down on you these days…… |
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23rd Oct 2023 12:49pm |
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